. >> who are you, maam? can you tell us who you are? >> i am senegalese and i have spent a great amount of my life so far on these issues. when i started reading nina's book i was very afraid in my heart was pounding because i could tell how fair she was trying to be. for me it's not a matter of jeffrey sachs, it's beyond him. it's an entire thinking process of people who never ever would imagine their minds but africa just like anyone else we are no different from anyone else. the only way we will make this is through capitalism and i'd like to say conscious capitalism. that's the only way forward. it reminded me of an argument i had at some point with the editor "freakonomics" in "the new york times." she had the nerve to say i heard him talk and she was saying i could see why a business can work in china and india as vehicles of economic development but i don't see how it's relevant to africa and that's a problem. how come they got capitalism and we get economic -- >> you make such an interesting point. i talk about this in my book.

i said yes, maam? she said how old are they? i said one is three and one is one.he said this is my question. they are not going to be little girls all their life. they are going to grow up and they are going to find out all the sorry things that bill clinton did in the things he did in the oval office, disgusting and not just that. they are going to find out how their daddy went out and defended him and called people names. and they are going to go to do one day and ask you, why did you do that? and i know -- want to know what you're going to tell them. i said -- [laughter] i said well, you have a right to ask that question. my answer is i will say girls, there was one time in your life that we had a good friend that did a bad thing. daddy thought about it and i'm going to forgive the bad thing and stick with my good friend. sometimes in your life you will cross a situation where you will have a good friend that does a bad thing. i want you to pause and think about it and think about sticking with your good friend. let me tell you the main thing. you are good girl

. >> who are you, maam? can you tell us who you are? >> i am senegalese and i have spent a great amount of my life so far on these issues. when i started reading nina's book i was very afraid in my heart was pounding because i could tell how fair she was trying to be. for me it's not a matter of jeffrey sachs, it's beyond him. it's an entire thinking process of people who never ever would imagine their minds but africa just like anyone else we are no different from anyone else. the only way we will make this is through capitalism and i'd like to say conscious capitalism. that's the only way forward. it reminded me of an argument i had at some point with the editor "freakonomics" in "the new york times." she had the nerve to say i heard him talk and she was saying i could see why a business can work in china and india as vehicles of economic development but i don't see how it's relevant to africa and that's a problem. how come they got capitalism and we get economic -- >> you make such an interesting point. i talk about this in my book.