mabey none. why? because they are rich men and they will hire good attorneys and therefore they will not go to prison by and large. this whole thing is about who has money for council, because if you saw with the council was like for the poor by and large, there are exceptions, there are wonderful exceptions, people who have devoted their lives to defending the poor and are extremely good and smart human beings, but by and large, if the guy couldn't make it on his own who have the time is off somewhere who becomes the lawyer for the poor kids who have no way of paying for council and the other thing we should remember about that is we are talking about kids, 18, 19, 20-year-olds, and you know where they came from? the came from the schizophrenic mother that dominique green has come and the way to discipline him and her other children if they did something she was displeased was to hold their right hand over a candle flame. just think about that for a minute. one of the great problems is not just what

protect our secrets and we had this very long history for an intelligence service, we also had unique mabey is too strong a word about quite a strong requirement to find a better way of exposing to the great british public what it was the we did. what was the purpose of the intelligence service? what did do, what did not do? what was its role in government? what was its objectives? what are the methods in general terms, and what was its character and its ecology? the reason i say that is that in the united kingdom the intelligence service has been for many years an important part of government and that is certainly not less the case now and probably more the case then it's ever been in the government now of course you need to be transparent in a genuine form for accountability which is a difficult to be transparent in what you do if they are secretive. [laughter] and the results of this of course have been a great number of myths of recent account our service. there's been several lessons already this evening understandably to james bond. faugh whether we like it or not it was there we don'

>> guest: mabey because i know the region with pretty well we didn't get surprised a lot. the women's issues were the ones that pleasantly surprised me. you want to think that the are moving forward but i did the women's issues, the right to work women in the three quarter range and the equal rights i think is quite striking panels those countries we ask the question to women have equal months, and they will give you not so yes answers, but should they have equal rights and the numbers go up, that surprises me. i didn't expect it to head the advanced that much in the period of time since we have been polling. >> host: there are yet again reports that iraq was going to have them in government, that the iraqis dislike intrusion and interference from iran as much as they do from the united states political that was interesting with the stereotypes how iraq is becoming a iranian. >> guest: if we paid some attention to some of the polling going on early on we would have altered our course, but maybe the iran question is critical in the whole region because it isn't just the ira

part of the good news mabey is older driver safety seems to improve more than anybody else and we have the shocking safety gains over the last couple of years. but we can't fully explain it. people talk about the economy and differences in discretionary driving and that might affect older folks and teams more than it affects people that are working everyday. but a lot of it is guessing. even when you put together a the economy and safer vehicles and on the other hand driving more we can't explain it. it's interesting, but we can't explain it. >> i think also that, you know, i seem to be the bearer of bad times of a today that, but the survey, the last was conducted during the gas crisis and during the downturn in the economy and that will make it -- now the last one was also during the recession but not as bad a recession. so if we didn't have to have a national trouble -- if it were not only every seven or eight years we do a survey we would be these things, but i think it's7% going to be effective life the latest travel data we have were collected during a very unusual period think f

mabey it is, maybe it is and i think people need to be more cognizant of the decisions they make from the meaning of their children -- >> host: how far do we carry this? there was a saying when i was growing up we have to lighten up the race. you'd get your kid a better chance if they were not or if they were light. so now it's to what we need our children so we can please those? >> guest: quite the contrary. eustis the lubber gleefully to start the conversation and to engage people of this acting white. certainly my appearance at the same pejorative term thrown at them at the letter you are the better opportunity you have. i wanted to be as historical based as possible but to be provocative and i wanted to shake things up and get people out of our comfort zone and that survey i believe is widely disseminated and knock people love of their comfort zone to ask the questions. so what are you suggesting? are using that we shouldn't? i'm not getting the answer one way or the other. and to get people out there to stop -- host because your name is shaniqua? >> guest: and the people on the o

mabey for status, maybe just because of another group that doesn't have the advantages you do.one of the reasons back to this last word about mercy that all i know as everyone does and no one in the world this boren which both attitude and prejudice. no one. you can learn them early as long as you are taught in the environment which such ideas can flower. but it's not in your dna. it's not natural. it can become environmentally necessary. okay, that in a sense of a human being i want to compare with this romantic notion of the innocent america. america is always innocent. you ever notice of that? there are hundreds of books, innocent americans, innocent abroad. so i want to go back before the institutional lusatian to see what your, you know, these were people coming from europe or money or resources or scared to death. i mean, you have to have a lot powerful going on for two or three months some raggedy ship, most of those things sync. you were down there with animals. the vehicle. therefore cowles and pigs and things and a few human beings next to them and then you come to th

mabey have more strength.ppens if you are 68 and somebody says i'm sorry i can't hear you any more? will there be a lot of good job opportunities for 60-year-old? >> there's not even good opportunities for her 43-year-old like myself. i mean, when i came into the job market after ten years on the job in the construction field, i was a bookkeeper making good money. i felt i was high on the hog in making over double what i am making now. but i went to find a job and i was certainly still likened to bookkeeping and all that to it i couldn't find a job, that's what they wanted. they wanted a younger kids and i was in my forties already. >> they want younger people in physical demanding jobs, younger people are stronger. also in other types of work younger people are going to work for low wages. so i'm not sure, mr. chairman, what the world people were laughing when they think they, 60, 69, you can get a job you don't need social security. it's really quite incomprehensible to me. thank you very much. >> thank you.

part of the good news mabey is older driver safety seems to improve more than anybody else and we have the shocking safety gains over the last couple of years. but we can't fully explain it. people talk about the economy and differences in discretionary driving and that might affect older folks and teams more than it affects people that are working everyday. but a lot of it is guessing. even when you put together a the economy and safer vehicles and on the other hand driving more we can't explain it. it's interesting, but we can't explain it. >> i think also that, you know, i seem to be the bearer of bad times of a today that, but th survey, the last was conducted during the gas crisis and during the downturn in the economy and that will make it -- now the last one was also during the recession but not as bad a recession. so if we didn't have to have a national trouble -- if it were not only every seven or eight years we do a survey we would be these things, but i think it's7% going to be effective life the latest travel data we have were collected during a very unusual period think fl

part of the good news mabey is older driver safety seems to improve more than anybody else and we havehe shocking safety gains over the last couple of years. but we can't fully explain it. people talk about the economy and differences in discretionary driving and that might affect older folks and teams more than it affects people that are working everyday. but a lot of it is guessing. even when you put together a the economy and safer vehicles and on the other hand driving more we can't explain it. it's interesting, but we can't explain it. >> i think also that, you know, i seem to be the bearer of bad times of a today that, but the survey, the last was conducted during the gas crisis and during the downturn in the economy and that will make it -- now the last one was also during the recession but not as bad a recession. so if we didn't have to have a national trouble -- if it were not only every seven or eight years we do a survey we would be these things, but i think it's7% going to be effective life the latest travel data we have were collected during a very unusual period think fle