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was there a single moment like that? >> there wasn't. it was a journey of discovery. we started out looking at the 2005 tax returns that were released on the rachel maddox show. then we started to look into -- we realized the year before, part of his father's empire had been sold. his father died in 1999. then we started to piece that together and just one thing led to another. then we started to reach out to sources and got an extraordinary amount of documents, including thousands of pages of documents from his financial empire and 200 tax returns from his, his companies and companies that donald trump was a partner in. >> this was reporting 101. >> kind of it was a real journey -- there was no mandate at the beginning. >> why did the sources help you? why did they share the documents? >> it's to try to get into the mind of a source is difficult. i think the people that we talked to felt that when -- by the time we got to their door we knew a fair bit about the topic we were asking about. they wanted to see -- it was sort of again and again when you talk to people, they felt the story that donald trump had pedalled, he was a self-made billionaire and that he only got a little help from his father was just wrong. a lot of the people we talked to knew fred trump and knew that that was just a lie. >> they wanted people to know it was bunk. what about the timing? you told me this is the hardest story you have ever done. it came out tuesday. it was in print wednesday. the country has been focused on kavanau kavanaugh. do you feel this was overshadowed? >> we published because we were ready to go. you can never time these things. it's the news business. sometime u.s you public in the morning and something huge happens. we felt we were ready to go. we had been waiting a week or two to see what was going on. you have to go. it's a great story. >> i love that you went to the printing press that night. you want to see it be printed. >> it was a big rush. >> there are investigating that new york state says they are investigating this issue. i guess is this one of those cases where it's going to trickle out slowly but there could be more to come? >> i think that the story will have legs. because i think it's going to take a long time for people to digest. it sets down a factual narrative of his life that is in contrast with the one that's out there now. i think that that is going to be one affect. there are going to be investigati investigations. the city and state are looking into possible taxes that may be owed. we don't know what the irs is doing. they haven't commented. one would hope they are looking at some of the findings. i think it's going to have a long life. i think it's out there for people to think about and to start to sort of i think refocus how they were thinking about his narrative. >> are you working on a part two story? >> we hope to. we have more leads and more string to pull. we will keep going on it. there's a lot of information we have been given. we're excited to come in monday morning and get going. >> to date, president trump continues to refuse to release his recent tax returns. might you be releasing them for him? >> we would love to if sources want to give them to us. hopefully, we have proven we can handle it. we are in the market for any information people want to send us. >> thanks for being here. great to see you. that documentary airs tonight inside this process of reporting. >>> a break here and then a story you need to know about. a journalist critical of saudi arabia has disappeared. new reports suggest a saudi team may have killed him and hidden his body. the journalist's editor is here. she will speak next. i like your card, but i'm absolutely not paying an annual fee. discover has no annual fees. really? yeah. we just don't believe in them. oh nice. you would not believe how long i've been rehearsing that. no annual fee on any card. only from discover. denybe but sworn my love,e thy name. or iand i'll... not, so she's telling romeo to ditch his parents and then she'll be his boo forever. oh. there are multiples on the table: one is cash, three are fha, one is .a so what can you do? 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>> i'm not. i think the best thing that we're trying to do is to try to stay productive and keep his name out there. i think for a lot of americans, this might be the first time they have heard of him. i think it's to speak out about who he is, what his work meant to saudi arabia and to the region as a whole, what it meant to us. i think it's really important to know that he didn't want to be known as a dissident. he didn't want to be this opposition figure. when he wrote his first piece for us in 2017, in september, he said, this changed my life. i just want to be a journalist. i just want to write. i think in going back to his words, he was a former royal adviser. he was very close to the saudi family. >> very well connected. early in 2017, if i can tell our viewers, he was told, get off twitter, you are not allowed to tweet, you are not allowed to write critically of the government. after six months, that's when he reached out to you and decided to essentially go into exile and speak out against the government. >> we saw the news about the cra crackdown. we decided, why don't we just have him as a voice and get him to speak? that piece was his sort of coming out, so to speak, about what was happening to him and his friends. in that piece, he said, he had been quiet about the crackdowns for a while but now he just was at the point to say something and to speak out. he said that saudi arabia wasn't always like this and that his country deserved better. i think throughout his work, what he had done -- you could tell he was speaking from a place of wanting to advise the crown prince. he didn't want to be known as this strident critic, even in our editing process, there were times where he said, i really don't want to personally insult anybody. i just really -- he agreed with a lot of the reforms, especially women driving, the lifting of the ban on cinemas. he just really felt like he had a duty to advise this young prince. >> do you believe the turkish officials who are concluding he has been killed? >> you know, we want to hope that he is still alive and with us and can come back to us and be safe. we had a lot of plans. we have a lot of plans to do so much more. we were publishing more in arabic. we are waiting, just like everybody else. there's a lot of conflicting reports, a lot of rumors. we are still hoping for the best. of course, this news, if true, has us all completely devastated. this is an attack on us as well at "the washington post." >> it's been 18 hours since a report that he has been killed. there's no proof of life. would you think there would be proof of life if he were alive and with us. what do you feel? do you feel anger? do you feel guilt? i'm sorry to ask. i'm trying to put myself in the shoes of an editor who knows a journalist is in harm's way. >> i feel -- i don't -- i feel like it has been inspiring. i think he knew the risks. he was somebody -- is somebody who loves his country. i honestly -- he is one of the nicest people i have ever met. i'm honest about it, one of the nicest people. if the news is true, i hope it's not true, i am devastated. i've been in touch with his family. i've been in touch with his fiancee. i feel like this was a threat. we talked. i saw him a few weeks. >> he had been living in washington. >> in virginia. this is -- i can't even imagine what his family is going through. i can say for me, this is one of the worst nights of my career, worst days of my career. we are committed to keeping -- we're not going to let this go. we're going to press and we're going to keep his name out there, highlight his work, highlight who he is and was. whoever may have wanted to do this to him, recognize what we recognize in that he is an important voice not only for saudi arabia but for the region and for the entire world. so if anything, all they have done is just upped his profile. again, this is the man who wanted to write. >> just to write. >> just wanted to be a journalist. his eyes lit up. i miss being in this. he had been silenced for so long, kicked out of newspapers. working at "the post" energized him. he said, it keeps my mind off the pressures. give me something to do. >> i love that you all have posted some of his columns on "the washington post" home page. people can look. do what you are saying, read his work. see his work. understand what he was trying to do. >> just know to whoever has information, saudis, turks, the entire world is watching. he was nice. he had many friends. we are all watching what's happening with this investigation. we're not going to let this go. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> our prayers are with you and one of the questions as we go forward with this story is about the u.s. response. i mentioned that at the time. i reached out to the state department earlier today. no real comment from the state department. they say they are monitoring this. read all of our coverage on this story at c nn.com. we will stay on top of this along with the "washington post" as they seek answers in this mystery. >>> up next, a turn back to domestic politics. briefing room battles. the question, does president trump treat female correspondents differently than their male counterparts? 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>> yes. the reason why -- this white house feels that they can go after what they consider weak. what they consider weak. i said that, what they consider weak. you don't see this kind of exchange happening with white males in that room as much as minorities, meaning african-american women, myself, or women. i detail that in my book. i detail the things that have happened to me in my book. this is something so new. i remember back to barack obama, women were a part of the press corps, but we aren't always one of the first ones to ask questions or leading in that front row. barack obama had a press conference with eight women. i was number eight. remember that? that was a phenomenon. i remember retired veteran journalist ann compton, there were a large number of women in the front row. she marked the moment. she was so happy. washington is a white male dominated town. men talk to men. how does a woman navigate the murky waters in washington and in that male dominated room? it doesn't bode well for a president of the united states, who sets the tone for the nation, who sets the tone for the nation, to do this to women. it doesn't -- we are the first line of questioning an american president along with the men. >> brian, you know what trump would say. he would say, i'm tough on everybody. i'm tough on jim acosta. >> he is a minority man. >> is april right? >> i was at the press conference. i want to try to walk through it logically. first of all, he has been at war with the press since day one. men, women, whatever. he has called us the enemy of the people. he called us fake media. i think some of his tactics are fake in and of itself. in that press conference, he told me to sit down. i was already sitting down. he refused to come back to me about a question on kavanaugh. he told peter alexander to be quiet. he wouldn't even let major garrett ask a question, from cbs, was given the mike twice. he did give the mike to female reporters. all that being said, you cannot excuse misogyny by claiming that you are a miss an tloep. you can't say i hate everybody so it's okay if i treat women differently. the fact of the matter is, there is a problem, at least in optics, in his attitude. it's outside and inside this press briefing room with females. whether it's reporters or just females in general. this press room -- by the way, there was a time, the first time i walked into the press room, the one who held sway, the one who was king or queen, was helen thomas. she began and ended every press conference. mike curry told me, she would be the first one in the office. he brought her calf foffee and doughnuts every morning at 7:00. that woman ruled. >> it doesn't happen now. >> it has always been in the press ourselves since helen broke that barrier, there has been an equality in the press room among reporters. the president and how they treat us has changed. this president, while i will agree to a point with him, he does treat everybody pretty bad, the simple fact of the matter is it doesn't excuse the ma soisog he displays toward women in the press corps. >> olivia, i saw you responding to this on twitter. >> my view is that i think we contribute to this a little bit in how we talk about it. when i see headlines that say the president speaks rudely to female reporters, i think that that is sexist in itself as well. is they are not female reporters. they are reporters who happen to be female. they were asking credible questions that the president i don't believe answered. we should be judging them as reporters first. i think their gender, when we talk about their gender as though it is the most important thing about that exchange with the president, i think we contribute to exactly the thing that we are decrying here. the president has been rude and dismissive to reporters of every gender. he has attacked jim acosta. he talked rudely to him at press conferences. >> me. >> it is true -- >> april, you. >> it is true that the way the president and officials speak to non-white reporters is very different. we have seen it for over a year. it's very troubling. it happens off camera as well. i think that to talk about this as though it's a problem with female reporters is a simplistic way to put it. i think it misses the point, which is that this is an anti-press freedom president. he does not understand or care about the first amendment. that's a bigger issue. >> we have gone from daily briefings to basically monthly briefings. trump takes questions when he feels like it. often butchers the facts. i agree there's a broader context. april? >> here is the problem. i am a reporter who happens to be black and who happens to be a woman. the reality is, when you see me, you see my color and my gender. you see my color first and then my gender. then i keep going back to this conversation i had with steve bannon last night -- not last night, last week in his home. we talked about the fact that i am not part of the resistance. he said, because of my race and my gender, i cannot go to a trump rally in a red state because i am perceived as the enemy. >> bannon said that? >> bannon told me that last week. we had a -- i talked to him for two hours. i hear all of this higher thinking and how we should be, the ideal of what we should be. the reality is that i am perceived as not the base. i am perceived at the enemy. the exchanges come at me. we can play this game of how it should be. what it really is is what it really is. >> brian, your thoughts? >> how it really is -- they don't like me at those rallies. i went to west virginia where they came up to me and said, fake media, i hate cnn, i hate jim acosta. they said, can i have an autograph? will he take a picture with me? >> it's complicated. >> your perception cannot drive the coverage. we have to be there no matter whether we are black, white, brown, male, female. we're going to be there. >> that's right. >> to olivia, your point is well taken in the fact that, do we -- the question we have to ask ourself is, by mentioning the differences, do we contribute to the differences? just by merely noticing that there is a difference i don't think plays into it. i don't think that by mentioning it we play into it. i think you have to mention it. i think you have to assess it. that's what you are doing here, brian. we are looking at an issue and deciding, are we playing to that base, are we playing to the resistance? i maintain, we're all reporters. >> we're complaining for different things here. >> we are there for a reason. >> a pawn in the political game. >> if we talk about how president trump treats reporters of color than how he treats -- >> let's try black woman. >> that's a very different topic. april is making an excellent point about -- >> we have to examine every one of those. >> sure. but the way she's talking about what steve bannon said about covering a rally, that's a different challenge and a different danger. >> i'm still a woman. >> right. >> i'm still a minority to them. i've been told -- i walk into that rally, they ask me what my last name is. if i'm a muslim. those are things that -- you will face it as a woman. i'm going to face it as a lebanese american. you will phase it, april, as a black female reporter. at the end of the day, olivia -- i'm trying to agree with you in this point -- we're all reporters. he treats us all with disrespect. >> going back to a conversation on last week's program, margaret sullivan said, we're reporting. but we need to -- >> we are asking questions. >> to our panel, thank you very much. quick plug here for our podcast. it's about whether fake news can be confronted through the court. check out my interview on this topic. it's on our reliable sources podcast. quick break here. more news in a moment. come on dad! higher! higher! parents aren't perfect, but then they make us kraft macthing's good again. should happen everydred five hundred years, right? 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