the home of macchiavelli. >> renzi: yes. not only macchiavelli. not only. macchiavelli worked exactly in the other room. >> rose: he worked in there? >> renzi: yes. and there is the portrait of macchiavelli now. >> rose: but macchiavelli was that's the game you're in. >> renzi: macchiavelli... ( sigh ) --is hated in italy. because macchiavelli is the representation as a man who used every way to achieve the power. but i think, macchiavelli is one of the symbol of italian intelligence. >> both: this is the portrait of macchiavelli. >> rose: renzi is self-aware, and self-deprecating. but the joke in italy is that renzi's ego is so huge, the entrances to the palazzo vecchio had to be enlarged to accommodate it. here is what some of my journalistic friends have said to me. "he's a man in a hurry." >> renzi: uh-huh. >> rose: "talks too much. has tried to do a lot in two and a half years." priest said to you, "god exists, matteo, but you are not god." ( laughs ) >> renzi: it's true. he told me! ( laughs ) it's very funny. but yes, i, i am a man in arena as presid