and if you really look at it, if that's true, macgregor is deceased now and you get from mitchell is gone, nixon is gone. but if you look at that point, there is a time in your tapes, it shows which is kind of go full blast with the cover-up. they are going to cover. now, you say the 1970 houston plan didn't concern nixon but i think it did and -- >> guest: he approved it. >> host: but this may 23 tape, and i really thought this was interesting because this houston plan is clearly illegal. everyone knows it's illegal. and nic sims approved it, and on this tape nixon says i ordered that the use any means necessary, including illegal means. nixon is telling this to his chief of staff at the time, al haig -- >> guest: and he quickly says the president of the united states can never admit that. of course, he just had. and so clearly that was one of -- my whole view of this is, this is a matrix. you have a whole series of activities that mr. kobak in 1969. illegal activities that kind of come together and the watergate burglary when five people are arrested in the democratic headquarters,