machiavelli, napoleon, the 48 laws of power. code, you go all the way down as far as from all different cultures, they're all war manuals and philosophies. when i mean studying, that's exactly what i mean by studying. >> to become a better -- >> warrior, yeah. to be a shotgun or whatever you want to call them you know what i mean. yeah, to be better at my job, which would be, i guess you could say, prison criminal. >> knighton's education would come in handy when a power shift in his gang put him on the wrong side of the new regime. and the predator had become prey. >> now i find out i'm on the list. that's a death sentence. my heart broke. i'll be honest with you. i was like you've got to be [ bleep ] me. spotless career and i'm on the list? yeah, they put you on the hat. i'm not going nowhere, stubborn, you know what i mean? so, it was on. i'll be honest with you, that was -- if i sat here and tell you that i wasn't, you know, scared, "a," terrified. i got hit, sliced. well, it was two. the other one healed up better. sliced m

machiavelli was an amateur compared to frank underwood.in: you can either continue to repeat yourself -- i have heard criticism, there is not enough talking into the camera this season. we are interested in exploring a lot of different things. when you take this season as a whole, i think we have gone to a lot of new places. i was thrilled to do it and i am delighted it is out there. we have to expect the more the show goes on, the more attention it gets, the more criticism it will get. charlie: the first two seasons were much more about frank underwood. this season, more of a focus on the relationship between the two of them. kevin: i would say that is fair. from the beginning, it was a story about this particular relationship. the first two seasons set up this season. if the first two seasons would have been as focused on the two of them, you would not have gotten as much of the world of politics. charlie: what is the attraction between the two of them? kevin: it is a deep monumental -- there are a lot of things going on. people seem to

defense but they can also bribe my mercenaries to the effect on battle which happened a lot during machiavelli's year and why was a vitriolic in my opinion. and lastly more work. if we live in an era with an industry invested in conflict going to the most conflict prone places on the planet we will likely have more war. so thank you for this and i would like to welcome my college general hamm and mr. marc garcetti. >> thank you very much for that presentation sean and quite an ample scope for discussion to kick this off we turn to general hamm. >> as you look at this group on the stage you might be reminded of that old sesame street program which of these things is not like the other? i think i'm the one that doesn't quite fit here. i had a good occasion to meet peter a number of times in africa and he has forgotten more about africa then i would ever know. i got to the point at the end of my tenure i would stay to my knowledge ever good to be best summed up by saying i was just beginning to understand how much i didn't know about africa at the end of my tour. sean of course is a noted author an