is one of the russian spelled, and this will be dismissed. 2008, the formula was the attendant of macklin and portal. and i think at the time to prevent the nato membership of ukraine and georgia because of the den and bush administration. want them to be member and it was about joyce a less and then you know, ukraine, but wanted them to give them membership right away. and this was basically the, the, the compromised formula that they all could agree on, on, on, on the final communicate. but it was intended to basically postpone ukraine your membership. let me, um, ask you um, maureen, their president lucas shank. look, a shank a has called the strengthening of nato's eastern flank. the greatest ever threat for of global conflict. should nato hear those words should nato actually try to kind of damp down any actions that could heighten tensions with uh, with pressed with lucas jacob. if it's never help before, why it's going to work this time? can i ask the question, what you, what to do? i mean, what's with this guy do, which basically really destabilize will, threatens nato. he doesn't