mr. chairman. senator schumer. >> thank you mr. chairman and madam chair you have done a good job and make us proud and i am so glad to have these hearings. so, my first question deals with the most difficult issue as the fed chair the age-old balancing test between fighting inflation and going into full unemployment. it's a hard tightrope to walk particularly as the conditions change and we are now in the period of change. obviously the unemployment has declined thankfully and is beginning to pick up. it's not only to accelerate at the end of the quantitative easing and two raise the rates. i would urge caution very strongly. to me the greatest problem the country still faces his lack of good paying jobs in the middle-class incomes that is with us very strongly into the worldwide labor market still your state targeted 2% ten years ago people heard the target was to present and your predecessors chose what drop, but we are not even at that. so i did ask yo would ask you je very cautious before you taper the program to quickly and entertain the prospect of raising rates. >> i agree try to emphasize that while we are making progress in the labor market, we haven't achieved our goal. and it's also the case that inflation is running under the 2% objective. so, both of those facts plus the fact that those that have been substantial headwinds that were effectively overcoming them and making progress. it calls for an accommodated policy to offset that and i would say that even if you consider the forward guidance that we put in place in march, the committee indicated that even after we think the time has come to raise rates, we think that it will be some considerable time before we moved them back to historically low levels. that reflects different people have different views but in part it reflects the fact that the headwinds holding back the recovery to continue the productivity growth has been slow and we need to be cautious that the economy continues to recover. we have tried with respect to the asset purchases to set up a clear objective that we had to see a significant improvement in the labor market and to put in place the process by which reductions in the pace of the purchases would be deliberate and allow us time to assess how the economy is recovering and we followed i think a very deliberate course. this is not a preset course if we were to have the conditions that have changed significantly. >> i would like to just use each side of the question is my final question. we are seeing improvement in the job growth that we are still seeing declines in the income and middle-class incomes and lower incomes and what it means is the number of jobs created that really pay well isn't going quickly enough. the jobs are paying more quickly. how can the fed appeals with that and on the other side one of the things we worry about our bubbles. ththe queue e3 and others pushed the money to the corporate bondage stock market and i don't think they are there yet, but i hope you are considering ways to reduce the rate. can you comment on both sides of that? >> with respect to the wages, most measures of compensation have been running roughly in line with the gains and compensation prices or the real terms that have been nonexistent so the rising compensation or wage growth is one sign that the labor market is healing. we are not up but they are rising at a pace that they could rise to installation in fact, while wages have been rising less rapidly than the productivity growth and what we have seen is a shift in the distribution of the national income from the labor and the tort capital, so there is room for faster growth and wages and gains before we need to worry that is creating an overall inflationary pressure for the economy that is something that we are watching closely. with respect to the bubbles i've stated my strong preference is to use the macro prudential supervision policies to address areas where we see concerns and as i mentioned, we are doing that in the case of, for example, the leverage lending, but i would never take off the table totally the idea that the monetary policy might be needed to address financial stability concerns. i don't see financial stability concerns at a level at this point where they need to be the key determinant of the monetary policy. and it's not my preference as a first line of defense by any means but i would never want to take off the table that in some circumstances particularly if the macro prudential tools fail, the monetary policy might be called on to play the role that we are not there yet. >> thank you. >> senator. >> madam chair thank you for being here today. this is the third time that you have been before the committee wants as a nominee and now twice in the role as the chair. when you came to the committee last fall i was concerned about the lack of progress to deal with. i was then and still am concerned that the risk of quantitative easing outweighs the benefits. since that time i want to say to you i think you've moved in the right direction. in fact you have moved at a pace that maybe i did not anticipate. you are down to $35 billion per month. the reality is there is still a 4 trillion-dollar balance sheet which is concerning. there has been some defense starts with the fed in terms of tapering. so my question gets to this issue. what could have been enough period of time that would cause you to recount a great and decided that october is not the appropriate data may be the program should go on for a period of time. tell me what metrics you're looking at to make these judgments as you go along. >> well, the committee indicated that the path of purchases is not on a preset course and all along at each of the meetings where we have had to decide whether or not to cut the pace of the purchases or to stop that or even to increase purchases we've asked ourselves two questions. is the labor market continuing to improve or to retain confidence that the debate will continue to do so and to see evidence and that we will continue to move back towards the 2% objective overtime and at every one of the meetings since last december. guess we think the inflation stabilized. and yes we think the labor are dead will continue to improve. we will continue to see those conditions and i think the evidence that we are seeing is consistent with that and if he continues to see progress in the labor market as i expect and inflation stabilizing or moving up we would continue on the course and as i mentioned the purchases would cease after october tha we would see some vy significant change in the outlook that we see between now and october so now that we lost confidence. and it would move back up to 2% then we would have to rethink that plan but that is the plan. >> let me ask you a question i'm running out of time here about the labor market because i think that this is a very good concerning issue for the economy and for the country. .. carter was president many, many years. i don't know if that's you or me, but it's annoying. we haven't seen those kinds of numbers since jimmy carter was president. the fed has said that you'll look at the labor market. you just reiterated that in your origally iemed the it seemed like the benchmark you were trying to achieve was 6-1/2%. it's now 6.1%. but to me that doesn't tell the store h story. the fact our unemployment rate is 6.1% doesn't reflect the reality that really what is happening is people are taking part-time work, whether it's obamacare or some other reason. we could debate a long time. so tell me what you're looking for when you constantly refer to the labor market. are you looking for more participation, more full-time employment? what are you trying to achieve? i'm going to ask you to be brief. >> so, briefly, labor force participation has moved down. part of that, i believe, is an aging population and demographic. when we see diminished labor force participation among prime age men and women that suggests something is not just demographic, and so my personal view is that a portion of the decline in labor force participation we have seen is a kind of hidden slack or unemployment. it may be, if that's correct, that as the labor market strengthens, that labor force participation will remain flat. instead of the demographic trend continuing to pull it down, that people who have been discouraged come back into the labor force and start looking and getting jobs, we will see labor force participation rates flatten out and the unemployment rate may not come down as quickly as it has been, but we'll need to look at that. that's hypothesis. i do want to make clear, 6.5% has never been our objective at the labor force. what we said about 6.5 is that we would not --s long as inflation was not a concern, we would not think about raising the federal funds rate above the zero to a quarter percent range until unemployment had declined, at least below 6-1/2 percent. so that's never been our target, and 6.1% is not our target, either. participants in the fomc are asked, what they think a so-called full employment or normal longer run unemployment rate is, and in the monetary policy report we distributed in june, they thought that was 5.2 to 5.5%. but of course we don't know and we're looking at all the things you mentioned in judging the labor force. in judging the labor market, not just the unemployment rate but a broad range of indicators, including involuntary part-time employment as you mentioned, and broader metrics concerning the labor market. >> thank you, madam chair. >> senator menendez. >> thank you. you were quote it in a "newnewnw yorker" profile saying while the economy is improving, that, quote, the head winds are still there and even when the head winds have diminished to the point where the economy is back on track and where we want it to be, it's style going to require an unusually cooperative monetary policy. that was consistent with concern of economists outside of the fed, that it's producing an environment that requires lower than normal interest rates to generate economic growth and create jobs. can you explain to me what you mean about the need for, quote, unusually accommodative monetary policy and do you agree with the views being discussed by many that larry summers and others about lower than normal interest rate and the danger of tightening too soon. >> so, i mean, i do agree with the view that there are substantial head winds facing the economy. one example would be that we see in surveys of households that their expectations about their future finances and growth in their real incomes are exceptionally depressed, and i think that is a factor that is depressing spending. we see in the housing market where we had some progress but it now looks like it's stalled. a lock of credit -- a lack of credit availability for anyone who has anything other than a pristine credit rating i think remains a factor, and that's in many ways in complicated ways a legacy of what we have lived through. so, i think there are, fiscal policy has been a factor in my view, holding back the recovery, and that is what monetary policy has had to counteract, and that's in part why we needed such an accommodative monetary policy for so long. the economy is making progress. i do believe it's making progress, and eventually if we continue the day will come when it will be appropriate to begin to raise our target for the federal funds rate, but to the extent that even when the economy gets back on track, it doesn't mean that these head winds will have completely disappeared, and in addition to that, productivity growth is rather low. at least that may not be a permanent state of affairs but certainly something that we have seen in the aftermath, during most of the recovery. that's a factor that i think is suppressing business investment and we'll work for some time to hold interest rates down. these concerns and these factors aren't related to what economists are discussing, including stagnation. the committee -- when it thinks about what is normal in the longer run, the committee is recently slightly reduced their estimates of what will be normal in the longer run. it's the median room is around 3-3/4%. we don't know but it's the same factors that are making the committees feel that it would be appropriate to raise rates only gradually. there's some of the same factors that figure in the -- >> let me askon what the fed is doing. are there fiscal policy steps congress can take to reduce the head winds against growth? for example, we have interest rates at near historic lows, and construction employment still below the precrisis levels. for example, wouldn't it be time to invest in repairing our nation's transportation and other infrastructure as a way to help any such head winds? >> as i've said, fiscal policy for a number of years has been a drag on growth, and that is we can translate that into a factor that has necessitated lower than normal interest rates to get the economy moving back on track, and of course, it's a judgment for congress what the appropriate priorities are, but i would certainly say that fiscal policy has been unusually tight for a period like we have lived through. >> if i understand that, you don't want to dictate congress' priorities are, but enough fact congress were to say, well, investing in significantly robust in our transportation infrastructure and other similar infrastructure projects, would that be something that would help against the head winds? >> well, certainly it would be a counter to the head winds, yes. >> thank you. >> senator heller. >> thank you for holding this particular hearing, and chairman, thank you for being here. i apologized. i haven't been here for all the questioning. the ranking member and myself are running back and forth to the energy committee talking about fire suppression. i'm not blaming you for the fires out west. so we can take that question off the table. i know you do take a lot of blame, and i just want to thank you for taking time. you said in your opening remarks that the recovery is not complete from the great recession. and we have had a lot of lively debates here in this committee of the soundness and the safety of our market structures. we even had a hearing last week on high-frequent trading. some are going so far to claim that markets perhaps are rigged. if you talk to individuals five yours ago in 2008, told them we're going to five years through a great recession and in that five-year period you'll see the stock market go from 6500 to 17,000, not too many people would have believed that. the question, books are being written about this, visiteds are now going as far as to claim the markets are rigged. i want to get your feelings. do you believe the stock markets are rigged? >> well, i think there are a number of concerns that have been outlined about high frequency trading, and i believe it was in june the chair of the sec gave a very important and very detailed discussion of high-frequency trading, outlining where she saw problems, at what potential solutions might be to those problems. >> the -- do you believe that unintended consequences of qe1, 2 and 3, may be, with all the bond buying, it's forcing people into the stock market, creating the bubble? >> well, i think it an environment of low interest rates in general, which have been promoted by our -- both our keeping the federal funds rate at zero and additionally by our purchases, low rates do have an incentive to push individuals to look for yield, to reach for yield and that's both a good thing and a bad thing. on the one hand we need handcuffsy risk-taking in order to spur a recovery. and low interest rates, i think, have had a positive effect on helping the recovery, but of course, we have to be careful about looking for situations where low rates may be innocent tough behavior that might be dangerous to financial stability, and i particularlyout lined in my remarks an area like leverage lending where we're seeing a marked deterioration in underwriting standards and may be part of a reach for yield and we're trying to deal with that through supervisory means. but the kind of broad-based increase in leverage in the economy and maturity transformation and credit growth that one tends to see in this situation with your intense financial stability risks, i don't think we see those things. so, at this point, they're more isolated and not broad-based in general. at least in my assessment. >> thank you, dr. yellen. go back to senator johan's questions on quantitative easing and may ask a little differently. you see a time when the federal reserve stops the bond-buying program? >> well, as i indicated in my opening remarks, if things continue on the current course, and as the committee expects, the purchases would cease after october meeting. >> so if they cease, do you see -- i guess my question today would be, would you ever see the restarting of quanity tatetive easing -- quantitative easing? is this a new normal, the federal government buys the bond or would you commit to saying quantitative easing has come and gone and we've seen the last of it? >> really depends on what the economy does. the economic outlook is very uncertain. i hope we're on a solid course of recovery, and that it will continue and not encounter some serious setback. i wouldn't take it off the table forever as a tool the federal reserve might need to some day in some circumstances use again, but my hope is we're on a path of recovery, and monetary policy will over time normalize that our purchases will end e, eventually our balance sheet will shrink back 0 a normal side, and when the time is right, that short-term interest rates will move above their current very, very low levels. >> dr. yellen, thank you. mr, thank you. >> senator brown. >> thank you, mr. chairman. madam chair, thank you for being here. these hearings often focus on when the fed will change its policies so financial markets will rally and wall street lenders can make money. too often we forget about the human side of these issues. as federal reserve chair you have worked to put a face on economic numbers. we appreciate that. last february you spoke of the toll on unemployed workers, quote, being simply terrible on the mental health of workers, on their marriages and children. it seems too many people around here still view unemployed workers as lazy, shiftless people who do not really want to work, and so we simply don't stepped -- extend programs like unemployment insurance. talk about the psychological effects that unemployment has on workers, why the psychology is so important, why it should matter to us, even a senator who goes to work in a suit every day and speaks with an upper class accent. >> well, i think many wo