. >> rob: that's going to drive maddox nuts to walk the opposing pitcher. rob when you came up and when you -- he walks him. and you made your debut in the major leagues was there a guy on that cincinnati team that kind of took you under his wing and showed you the right way? >> rob: they all did. i mean as far as in the bullpen it was wonderful, johnny franko, frank williams, johnny murphy were all seasoned veterans. for someone who started in the minor leagues, johnny franko startd out with the dodgers and got traded to the reds. like i said danny jackson got traded over to us, jose rio came over from the athletics to the reds and so i was quite left blessed with a lot of the older guys that were like you're doing this, working too hard on that, even buddy bell was there, you know, dave econ exception i don't who played back with the big red machine. it's not the worst thing in the world to have veteran players around, but they also have to be giving. they gave a lot. a lot of information, i was a young kid, i peppered them with questions, you know, it do

i also know the following statistics, three pretty good pitchers, glavine, maddox and smotlz, when they were 2 1 and 22 years old, though threes pitchers in the major leagues had a record of 19-46. i am not comparing anyone we have today to any of them. that is not my point. my point is even the best pitchers have to go through the crucible of learning how to pitch of here. they need 20, 30 or 40 starts before they can learn how to maximize the talent they have. that is what we are going through right now with the 22-year-olds. we have been encouraged by what we have seen so far. there will be ups and downs until they turn the corner until we decide the five final guys who comprise our rotation going forward. that is what it is all about. getting a solid rotation. i said this wirnt did not winter for me, we were concentrating on finding starters. let me tell you now, it is clear to me now and most fans would agree. not only are we going to find three solid starters out of this group, we are going to find more than three starters. you probably know the kid in syracuse, ballister, and moc