madeleine albright started a thing called "the community of democracies."hey had exactly the same problems joe biden has now, namely deciding on who is a democracy and who is not. there are lots of countries in the world that america wants to work with and that i think america should work with that are not perfect democracies. a lot of countries in the middle east -- jordan, morocco -- that are now feeling excluded because they do not fit into that particular category. on the other hand, there are countries that you should not necessarily include in the current roster of democracies like poland who are included, so it creates a division that is not necessarily helpful and that would create a lot of difficulties as we are trying to construct a pragmatic alliance to counter the rising influence of china. >> what happened to madeleine albright's community of democracies, as a matter of interest? >> everyone spoke well of democracy and human rights, but it became clear quickly that despite being democracies, all of these countries had very different interests.

madeleine albright. we have been on panels called new jews of many people who have discovered as adults that they had have jewish heritage. >> and i am wondering as part of your, the ark of your nair television so far, how then do you begin to integrate-and make choices about jewishness and jew issue life to the life you already have? how do you understand jewish holidays? how do you understand jewish approaches to biblical narrative? to jewish ethical values about being in the world? that sort of a thing? it's a big question. can you talk about what that is for you? >> for me, it's very much been an evolving process. where i pulled on one legging at a time of jewishness and then put something over my head. it was -- it's been years to the point where now i am so proud and hap to be a jew. and very open. but it's, it's been very gradual. and it's taken a lot of processing, investigation and historical searching on my part. >> huh. >> and i wonder also, i am sure this is true for both of you, but, jim, do

state creating undersecretary of start for political affairs in 2011 through 2015 and under madeleine albright also director of the senate relationship and the science for international affairs. the secretary general of the european services and prior to this has extensive career in the italian diplomatic services of the european commission from 2013 serving as the representative to the european union and then through december 2020 the assistant secretary general for economic and global affairs. today deputy secretary sherman we are here in person i'm sorry i cannot be there in person i am joining virtually the each offer a brief introductory remarks we are very much on the record today and streaming live so please send your questions i will say at this point we have about 25 questions so please keep them coming in t we will get to as many asut possible and with that the floor is yours. >> let's try again. [laughter] we used to say when i taught at the kennedy school we also had t-shirts that said you are muted button is on because he all fell into that many times. good afternoon to everyone w

undersecretary of state for political affairs from 2011 to and serving as undersecretary under secretary madeleine albright. she's been a senior fellow at harvard center for science and international affairs. stefan sannino is the secretary general of the european action service. prior to this position he had an , extensive career in the italian diplomatic services and in the european commission and from 2013 to 2016, he served as italy's parliament representative to the european union. from february-december 2020, he served as assistant secretary general for economic and global affairs of the european external action service. today, deputy secretary sherman, secretary general sannino are with each other in person. i'm sorry i can't be there with you, i've joined virtually. they'll each offer brief introductory remarks followed by moderated discussion. we're very much on the record today, streaming live. please send your questions for soplease send your questions for, the deputy secretary and the secretary general via email, at brookings. ed you or on twitter. at this point, we have excellent 20-25 questio

and if you speak to people like madeleine albright and those who have come from this type of thing whoe not where we should be in terms of turning this ship around. and if you look at the way that republicans are acting right now in congress, it can't be looked at as oh, they're the crazies on the far right. this is now the behavior that's being embraced. >> right. people -- people like madeleine albright who come out of europe or asian experiences or african experiences with authoritarianism, they're warning us. the warning is don't think you're special. human beings are human beings. societies are societies. people are prey to the same weaknesses and temptations across the planet. and just because we've managed to stave off authoritarianism in the past doesn't mean that you're able to stave it off in the future when you have a determined group trying to manipulate democracy to result in their permanent domination. and that's what they're saying. so i just take that very seriously. >> jeffrey, it's jonathan lamire. good morning. look, government and law enforcement i've spoken to over