its author, madeleine sumption, is director of the migration observatory at the university of oxfordber of the migration advisory committee — that's an independent panel which advises the government — and shejoins me now in the studio. welcome to newswatch, madeleine. it's an extensive report. one of your main findings says this, "the bbc produces a lot "of excellent content on migration, but there are also weaknesses." we'll come to the weaknesses in a second. but tell us where you think the bbc is doing well on this. i think one of the areas where we see particularly good content is in some ways where it's easiest, which is some of the long form content, so some of the documentaries or long form audio where the journalists really have time to delve into the issues. i think the big challenge, then, is the shorter form content. when someone's only got two and a half minutes for a typical tv package, how do you make sure that you have enough depth that the audience are learning something new and interesting? that's where the real challenges emerge, i think. so that's one of the weakne

but i it's the daughter of lord sumption, madeleine sumption , who's done this sumption, who's done thisears . yeah. providing few years. yeah. providing balance in many areas of public life. >> but here's, here's the thing. look who's the biggest supporter. the biggest fan of mass immigration to this country. it is not the left. certainly isn't the labour party. we introduced the immigration and nationality act back in 2001. it is the bosses of the big firms and the big factories who absolutely glory in the fact that you can get people here to work in slaughterhouses and chicken farms. yeah so those are the biggest supporters. but look, yes, that's why they that's why they opposed brexit because they saw brexit as ending a cheap supply of labour. well i'm not you know, more about okay. may day the cbi. the trouble is every time i've had an argument with you, you've won. so i'm not going to have another one. >> but but it's a generally accepted point now isn't it, that, you know, we can have one. i mean, we were supposed to accept the rabid belief all immigration is good for the economy

we've got professor brian bell, professor dina cowan, professor sergi padroes padrao, doctor madeleine sumptionnd professor joe swaffield sumption and professorjoe swaffield and dylan mcveigh as well, formerly of the home office. that's nice, isn't it? look, they are the turkeys who have been asked whether or not they would like to vote for christmas, and they've said no. imagine my shock. this is the same migration advisory committee that in 2018, advised that we shouldn't have a graduate visa scheme, but then since 2018, of course, british universities have entered into the giant immigration ponzi scheme and they now have to close down or reduce their offering . if we stop letting in offering. if we stop letting in every tom, dick and harry. not that that's what they're actually called, of course, because students are coming from nigeria , india, china and nigeria, india, china and pakistan. they account for 70% of all graduate visas with india accounting for more than 40% on its own. apparently, these are all countries with a terrible record at returning people who we do decide that we don't

its author, madeleine sumption, is director of the migration observatory at the university of oxfordemerge, i think. so that's one of the weaknesses that you identified, then, the ability to explain in depth? that's right. i think explanation is really key. and one of the things that came up in some of the coverage is that there was sometimes quite a superficial coverage of maybe, "a high—profile person has said something about migration," or, "there's been a new development in a long running story," like the government's plan to try and send asylum—seekers to rwanda. and sometimes in the audience research that we commissioned, audience participants, they found that they didn't feel that they were getting enough background. so they were being told the latest thing, but they didn't really understand, "well, hang on, what is this policy? "why do we have it in the first place? "how does it work?" some of that explanation sometimes got lost in some of these shorterform stories. picking up on what we heard from julia just then, she said, "the net migration story is much more than the boat