they're not that green in the long term. >> we have to get madeline grant because madeline grant.ee it, grimaced throughout. benjamin butterworth, i'm sorry. >> it's very rude of me. i have, ihave >> it's very rude of me. i have, i have an uncontrollable facial expression. >> no, i loved it. i didn't mean to. >> well, basically, i just i despise this kind of. i think , despise this kind of. i think, very virtue signalling purity , very virtue signalling purity, essentially, because we are not ready yet. a lot of what benjamin said. i mean, i agree it's a worthy idea in theory, but the reality is that we are still so far off being able to divest ourselves completely of fossil fuels. so why would we shoot ourselves in the foot by also divesting ourselves of a load of very well—paid, highly skilled jobs? a slap in the for face scotland, a massive slap in the face for scotland. this would be when the new technology isn't ready yet at all, so we will continue to export it from other countries but not take advantage of our own reserves. it strikes me as shooting ourselves in the foot so

madeline grant. what did you make of what you heard there?i think it was interesting what jonathan said at the end about the leadership candidates that i think there is that that understanding that you have to have someone who's a team player. and i think suella bravermans outbursts often sort of, shall we say, outside the tent in, in a foreign audience, seem to have a lot more to do with putting suella braverman on the map and creating a stir, rather than what is in the interest of the party. >> renee are you super suella all the way? >> i like suella actually, because i think she's speaking to the people, but i'm not sure she is leadership material because of that. i think maybe she's making a bid to go somewhere else. >> okay, well, maybe, but i'll tell you what. all of our viewers are well, many of our viewers, not all of them, obviously. i can't speak for all of them, but many of them are saying, look, i'm suella, but right, folks, we'll leave that one there. thank you very much. coming up on this saturday five renee and alby will be scr

activist susie stride and labour activist susie stride and daily telegraph columnist madeline grant. as ever, i want to hear your views. send them in mail. margaret gbnews.com. but now it's what you've all been waiting for. the news bulletin with sam francis . with sam francis. >> jacob, thank you very much and good evening to you. it's just after 8:00 and the top story tonight is that police are still waiting to speak to karl clifford in connection with the murders of three members of the same family. he is currently in a serious condition in hospital. the 26 year old was found near a cemetery in north london yesterday after a major manhunt. earlier in enfield, police were seen retrieving what appeared to be two hard drives and bags of documents from a house connected to their investigation. a crossbow is also understood to have been recovered as part of their search. well, karl clifford is wanted for the deaths of carole hunt, the wife of bbc commentator john hunt, and two of their daughters in bristol, a taxi has been seized as part of another urgent manhunt after two suitcases co

i'll be joined by my panel, labour activist susie stride and daily telegraph columnist madeline grantd them in mail. margaret gbnews.com. but now it's what you've all been waiting for. the news bulletin with sam francis . with sam francis. >> jacob, thank you very much and good evening to you. it's just after 8:00 and the top story tonight is that police are still waiting to speak to karl clifford in connection with the murders of three members of the same family. he is currently in a serious condition in hospital. the 26 year old was found near a cemetery in north london yesterday after a major manhunt. earlier in enfield, police were seen retrieving what appeared to be two hard drives and bags of documents from a house connected to their investigation. a crossbow is also understood to have been recovered as part of their search. well, karl clifford is wanted for the deaths of carole hunt, the wife of bbc commentator john hunt, and two of their