from illinois myself, i would have loved to have had an independent commission as opposed to mike madigan. and i do believe that with technology, they are so much better able to disguise these maps to make them not look partisan, but they will be very partisan. it's also interesting to note two different things. in illinois, 500 thousand people signed a petition to have fair maps put on the ballot three different times. that's a lot of different signatures to get. 500,000 citizens signed to have it put on there only to have it tossed by the illinois supreme court, which is appointed and controlled by madigan. tossed out three times. the second thing is we look at former attorney general holder's and former president obama's attempts to go after states, and they never picked a single democratic state to go after. ultimately, i think, for the voters' sake, if we look at what's going on through a partisan perspective, this getting pulled to the polls, so we have far more vitriol going on, far more partisanship, ultimately, i believed it we had more 50/50 type of districts drawn, we would hav

there was a even if i'm given so many way to get money there was no is being what i think i know is madigan needs to be a system will change again. i think. is the question. is if it will come back probably to the government let me ask paris whether he thinks people are going to call for it. and also you have both made it clear that the impact of this crisis is being felt not only by the poorest as during the 1st wave of covert but by the middle class as well will there be a backlash against the government that could make itself felt politically what do you think you talked about accountability do you think they will demand accountability by at the polls i mean everybody who's dying is demanding accountability even if they're not articulating it in but far from for the polls is the only place our think in the present day and where accountability can be demand . the next major polls in the state of the provision about 8 months i believe that is going to be the litmus test for whether people remember and here's the thing about this comes from my experience as having been born there and brough

there was a even if i'm given so many way to get money there was no is being what i think i know is madigan needs to be a system change again. i think it is the question. is if it will come back probably the government let me ask paris whether he thinks people are going to call for it. and also you have both made it clear that the impact of this crisis is being felt not only by the poorest as during the 1st wave of covert but by the middle class as well will there be a backlash against the government that could make itself felt politically do you think you talked about accountability do you think they will demand accountability by at the polls when everybody who's dying is demanding accountability even if they're not articulate to get them but far from for the polls is the only place or think in the present day and where accountability can be demand. the next major polls in the state of the provision about 8 months i believe that is going to be the litmus test for whether people remember and here's the thing about this comes from my experience as having been born there and brought up then h

but to be immersed in the effort to achieve recent reform in illinois and that is the actions of madigan and of the supreme court to be completely reprehensible. to be not as much if not more of any state of the independent commission. so with the national one - - natural political geography is states but the point is in all of the recent lawsuits wisconsin or north carolina or michigan it didn't rest pretty sure all of the lawsuits if you constructed the computer without constructing partisanship's. you almost never in the line drawing parties favor. the political geography of pennsylvania or ohio et cetera simply does not support maybe to support a slightly skewed plan, sure, but that is not at all the kinds of what we saw in 2010. political geography changes in ways that are kind of unpredictable and might not benefit republicans going forward. so those areas are a lot better than they were ten orve 20 years ago. it's now possible to have packed over concentrated republican districts in the outlining areas that was a possible 20 or 30 years ago. the past democratic district and urban

lisa madigan in illinois stepped up, kwame stepped up. we're trying to do our part in the a.g.'s office on the part of justice. >> i'm running out of time, but do you think those officers will be convicted? >> i have to say they're presumed innocent. i would have to say i wouldn't charge them unless i say i believe that, and the court has already found probable cause to support our charges. >> keith ellison, thank you for spending time with us this evening, and cheers to you and your team. thank you so much. >>> still ahead, the right wing's hostility to science has reached a new level of awfulness, targeting those who are taking the pandemic seriously for ridicule and even harassment. tonight's "absolute worst" is coming up. don't go anywhere. worst" is coming up. don't go anywhere. ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ back in black ♪ ♪ i hit the sack ♪ ♪ i've been too long... ♪ applebee's irresist-a-bowls are back. dig in for just $8.99. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. zero-commission trades for online u.s. stocks and etfs. and a commitment to get you the best

the recently recently departed michael madigan speaker the house in illinois for a long time. and you could look at others on the federal level. who have also mastered parliamentary rules and more modern times like say for example speaker nancy pelosi, but also at the same time. a former majority leader mitch mcconnell as well for a couple of examples here. now what thomas reid did is he created a substantial portion of the rules by which the house operates today? he also served during a period of high partisanship in substantial disagreement over economic policy. and so for those who are more interested in the history of this this is where for example you have the free silver movement in william jennings bryan. as well as others with respect to with respect to a policy dispute about what voluntary monetary policies can look like over longer. now thomas street was very much a cerebral personality. however he did have a bit of it as a cervical. and so let me tell a quick story about that. so a democrats once said to him that you would rather be right than be president. and it's