i saw this fancy woman once madison said. he put his arm around her sister and guided her along the path. she took all the feeling from a man's toes. she gave him a foot rub. when she got to the toes she put them in her mouth. saddy squinted at her brother. it's true. one by one she sucked them and they were dirty. but when she was done you know what? the man started hollering he says, i cannot feel my toes. he jumps up and waddels like a turkey. he didn't know he didn't have any toes anymore. madison grinned the woman was a witch much the fields were soft to the touch. all the way home madison told his sister about the witches and the world. when the saudi came to view he stopped talking the door was open the inside shadowy. there was no one in sight but he could hear his sister in law kth rin talking to blue flies. madison tucked his chin as if against the weather. something about the air felt dense. something felt like pushing against water on a flooded plain. well, a lot happens between now and the next morning i will sum

this weekend joe madison joe madison show joe welcome right you have you back with us. good to be yeah i'm use fountain our brother and i'm going to curious what you know what what your sense of was of the energy behind the recall movement the energy number one is coming out of the state is no way a fan but it's about that so this these talking points that these are people from all over being bussed in yes there were people who came in who certainly understand what happens in wisconsin may impact what happens in michigan so people in neighboring states also came in but for the most part and interviewing the mayor of madison and interviewing become an executive at a county interviewing small business men and women they recognize their neighbors and seeing solidarity as you know one of the problems unions have always had is that oftentimes they're very competitive with each other but here we're teamsters here was president the. machinist's aerospace sitting next to the former retired secretary treasurer of assamese so basically a private sector representation and in the f

michael moore said this activity last night madison here's here's what he does. america is not wrong. contrary to what those in power would like you to believe so that you give up your pension because you may choose and so for the life your great grandparents had america is not. the pantry. is awash in wealth and pass the iraq it's just that it's not in you. it is being transferred in the greatest heists he does three. thousand consumers to the beats and goes oh but he will reach a nail that it's not about the money it's about power it's about who controls the country ultimately that all this union busting is about the possibility of single party rule if they can destroy the ne ns the last large funders of the democratic party you could have nothing but republicans running the country maybe forever. our nation could take on a very very very different shape a very different form and yet there's still that small threat of democracy left actually it's a fairly substantial thread let's call it a rope left it's in the constitution and it says that you and i as individ

now, it did not equal jay plus madison plus hamilton. publius with was a fictional character, so what he said wasn't always what the writers honestly believe. and i think this is particularly the case with ham hamilton. and the views changed in the 1790s in some of the debates you'd see. madison and hamilton were taunting each other with passages from the federalist which were inconsistent with their current politics. but the real thing with madison, i think he expected -- he really believed that power was, would almost automatically go down to the states. he saw no real danger of having a centralized government that seemed to be a threat to the freedom of the people. and he changed prison view, certainly -- changed his view dramatically by the time of the alien and sedition acts and went the other way. so i think it's really the development of national politics in the 1790s that made madison rethink some of his assumptions that he had expressed in the federalist papers and elsewhere, to see a danger in national government he had not ant

madison himself gave it the most generous interpretation.he didn't think there should even be religious chaperons for army or for congress, but how it is interpreted over time has changed tremendously. i think these provisions to undercut the christian bias of our practices are well-meaning. i mean, are these practices offensive to nonchristians in our population? of course, the incidence of muslims has particularly increaseed. we have a substantial jewish population. are their rights violated by provisions that -- by practices that are christian in nature? i think this is one of the concerns which have led behind, have been behind these practices. personally, you e -- you know, i think prayer has no place in public schools, and that, indeed that the big problem is that when we first started public schools, they were protestant. catholics felt they couldn't attend them. we want them to be so organized that anybody can attend them without feeling their beliefs are offended there. >> host: can you discuss the role of the vanderbilts in the ame

the world but you might ask once again to hit america other than these union protests happening in madison wisconsin what's going on in the u.s. well let's talk about this first headline here eighteen sobering facts which prove that the middle class is not being included in this economic recovery and i'm just going to go over some of them yeah let's are fairly you mention money printing of course that causes inflation and we see that in his point number five gasoline prices in the united states recently hit a twenty eight month high and you often talk about the fact that in fact gasoline prices is the most crucial of all so in egypt and tunisia wheat prices are very important because a large part of the average person's budget goes to food and this includes eating wheat based products in china it's rice in asia it's rice and in the united states is gasoline because essentially americans live in their car they drive from suburbs and excerpts into whatever job they might have and the heat. basically gasoline and all of their manufactured products that's right gasoline is really the only poin

this way by the bankers themselves so those people in madison wisconsin now are being ushered into the into the gulag because of the financial dictators that are running riot in the country but also this odious debt burden on the young is also a great destroyer of innovation and entrepreneurship of course because it limits your options well let's let's you know contrast the experience of donna says america and iceland they both went into the financial crisis iceland refused to pay the bankers debts the economy went into a depression for two years another growing again and they're coming out of it the u.s. did the opposite they mollycoddled the banks they bailed out the banks they left their population out to dry and now they're still in a depression and they're not going to come out of it now and you bring up madison wisconsin where the union members are being attacked by governor walker now this brings me to a next headline showing the decimation of american middle class the for a one k. generation is beginning to retire and it isn't a pretty sight now the important thing is this char

organization represents thousands in the state of wisconsin, and she joins us tonight from madison. mary bell, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me, tavis. tavis: the latest. what is happening in wisconsin? >> the protesters have been part of the capital environment for almost two weeks now, who are still being part of that, making sure that the voice of the people of wisconsin is heard. they have restricted access to our capital, but there are still people who are outside and some who are inside, maintaining that presents to say that they will not be silent as well as the voices of others are in danger. tavis: there are so many making comments about what this fight is about, ranging from collective bargaining all of the way to the republican party, when to demonize and quite frankly to crush the union movement. what this fight was and is about? >> well, since the governor's budget proposal of two weeks ago, we have known that wisconsin is in an economic difficult circumstance. it is part -- impossible to be part of a community and not know what your neighbors and yo

but madison has been the bellwether. even though the impromptu protesters' village that has occupied the statehouse for nearly two weeks was slowly dismantled, the peaceful nature of these extended protests, backed by the stubborn holdout of those senate democrats had this assemblyman saying what the math says is still unlikely. >> we are winning. >> reporter: well, governor walker delivers his budget message tomorrow afternoon at 4:00. he says if his bill is not voted on or approved by then, as many as 1,500 state workers will get layoff notices starting this week. brian? >> mike taibbi in wisconsin, thanks. >>> also in the midwest tonight a lot of cleaning up after a night of violent weather. tornadoes were reported from oklahoma to ohio. lots of damage in kentucky including roofs torn off houses. ice, hail and rain fell across a big area. flooding is a problem from indiana to pennsylvania now. and that system is now stretching, as you see, from the gulf coast churning all the way up through new york with high winds, h

it's been pretty well balanced most of the early on it was more more sort of madison just because the protests there were so much so much more numerous and in columbus as you know in ohio moves further in the senate and further along and more people come out to the state house to protest it has been getting support almost equivalent to wisconsin you know we didn't embody print the governor either so that probably helped do you think that we're going to see more people come out in the coming days i think so i really do think so the soon i talked to his name was low class. perspective teachers said if the bill does pass and governor case it does signed into law then they're going to create pursue a ballot initiative to have voted on in november. so if the if the bill is not voted on by the public and supported by the public on that ballot initiative then it would not be it would not pass our car i want to thank you very much for joining us and we'll continue to follow this from here in d.c. so thanks for i mean i don't appreciate it thanks. june thirtieth two thousand and eleven is quic

program to the government giving the money to the churches to do and james madison because his initial took well that was his first veto he said he and the reason why was he said churches shouldn't be involved in this this is a civic function of government this is the guy who's the father of the constitution yeah you need to check if you need to check your facts because what you're saying oh my wife's more thought is you've written a lot of books i've read these not all right these guys they you know. they can't know they were only carrying within the federal city you know in washington d.c. because that's what they thought they were responsible for but they were doing it they ran the poor house in washington d.c. it was paid for with federal money or tariffs actually. there's no constitutional call for it they were doing it they were wrong i think you're overstating they were out of constitution yeah and they were wrong and they then they wrote the words general welfare and you know sometimes you for example understood without not ok for example when was housing and urban development

i mean i think it's just the fact that it will affect so many people that i myself from here to madison and there's there will respect me and i'm not any of yours and it will affect my peers and my professors and it will affect. their i interact with are very preferred if you're if that run people are still got a credit for that people won't be united behind a bill because everyone has heard it and i want to also mention that a new new york times c.b.s. poll actually said that most people oppose taking away collective bargaining rights bringing that into the conversation bill so i think that that's part of would really touched a nerve with people on the one hand and in the other part of the world people fighting for an expansion of the market see but here you have this governor and his allies that are attempting to restrict it and and people in the united states irrespective with the how they view the economic issue the budget's resists the idea of losing their basic rights and i think that this really did touch this nerve that we know whether you're in a union or not how dare you touch

. >> let's move to madison square guard bes msg. if are you looking for inflation look for ticket prices next season for the knicks and rangers up i respectively 49% forth knicks, up 23% for the rangers on ice. if it looks to raise money to fix up madison square garden, a return for shareholders here? >> well, first of all, a billion, a billion four investment to renovate madison square guard sown that is where the return is. as a practical matter if you increase the price of your services 49%, you will be on the streets. >> i'm sorry, you'll be on the street. it is up to the caic ins to generate a product that is 49% better than today, the same for the rang irs, they run a lot of pressure. >> we'll find out if the knicks will be on the street. msg stock price up 30% in the last year, seeing volatility. is there a risk to shareholders that the fans won't pay the price. >> a risk to share shoulders just like any revenue max miization technique, also a risk to the head coach if the knicks aren't going to win. >> rick horrow with hor o

i'm from madison, wisconsin, which is a town not unlike san francisco. they cannot put me on trial in madison in wisconsin, so they took me to the south of carolina, and they put me on trial in strom thurmond federal courthouse in charleston, south carolina. across the street was the confederate cemetery. from the courthouse, they flew two flags -- the u.s. flag and the confederate battle flag, which was the state flag of south carolina. from the court room, i could look out the window and seaport sumter in the distance -- see fort sumter. they put me on a case with no marijuana. they invented imaginary marijuana. they said i was charged with conspiring to contribute 10 tons of colombian marijuana. i pled not guilty. i had a jury trial. i was found guilty on one account, acquitted on nine. i had an appellate case and the supreme court case. i was then facing 15 years. since may to nine. when i went to federal prison, i did time in eight different states in nine different federal prisons, including four penitentiaries -- that is a maximum security. includ

protesting through madison, and forced finally to leave. shelby lynne. has all the details. >>reporter: angry protesters wanted reentry into the capital. 200 people were ordered out. those who got go willingly were forcibly removed. the building was on temporary lockdown with a highly controversial assembly vote. lawmakers were going to work on a budget plan with health, pension contributions and bargaining rights. >> we will see an end on this today. >>reporter: while they held their ground in madison scott was in milwaukee. >> i hope that from last night into the would not allowed people from outside of wisconsin creeping chaos >>reporter: reporter if with this deemed necessary to cut the deficit. this is perceived as an attack on the middle class. >> we're custodians of this economy and we are responsible to represent the people. >>reporter: was locked on and so for the showdown continues. shall the land from atlanta. >>catherine: if this continues, all right. shall be land--was reporting shelby whe rumolynn >> rob: if you're running- deficits? without a backlash. this wi

this would be a shock to thomas jefferson, james madison, and to our founders. who never conceived that the federal government would be so big that it would not just be as big as, but incredibly much bigger than the collective states and cities that originally the federal government was to serve. but that's where we've come. and so my title in this federal view is that the further that you drift from shore the more likely that you are to be lost at sea. the premise is to me a common sense simple principal. that if i govern my own family, i can do that because i know my children. my wife and i have three children. we are all grown. we have a 30-year-old son, 28-year-old daughter, two of those children are married. and for some reason, and i don't think it was intended, we ended up once the kids got grown and moved away, we ended up with three dogs. we will three kids, now we have three dogs. the kids think they the dogs have replaced them. they belief we treat the dogs better than them. i simply tell them that the dogs behave better than they ever did. but this m

sheriff david moore hony told his deputies from patrolling the entrances of the state capitol in madison saying they shouldn't be in the position to be callous guards seems appropriate since governor scott walker is acting more like a king these days than a governor in an address of the joint session of the state legislature yesterday walker vowed to continue fighting to end collective bargaining rights and warned that if he doesn't get his way he's going to punish wisconsinites by dumping twelve thousand people onto the unemployment rolls although he's keeping his tax cuts for was constance richest people and companies in place now even the republican controlled wisconsin legislature is getting into the act it has to build today that finds missing senators i are dollars in day meanwhile in ohio republican governor john k. sick and republican state. lawmakers have had such a huge majority that their democrats can't even flee across state lines or shut down the writers later it's single party rule in ohio the party of the billionaires it wants to end forever those ask the unions as a resu

and needless to say governor walker reignited the labor protests in madison last night and today we'll take a look at some of these things. to top it all off the republicans did last night was probably illegal they may have violated the state's open meeting laws which require the legislature to give a twenty four hour notice before any new sessions or convene the democratic minority leader in the state assembly house status the white house and peter parker tried to make this point known last night was largely ignored by republican senate majority leader scott fitzgerald take a look. chairman this is a violation of law this is not just. you know this is the chairman this is incredible the state assembly did their part today and wrapped up passing this illegal bill all massive protests were going on both inside the capitol rotunda and outside the building the building that now goes to governor walker for signature there will be more protests over the weekend a possible nationwide walk out of high school students at two pm friday afternoon and possibly even a labor strike but here's the t

bargaining that was the issue and it was a tremendous demonstration the same thing i was also in madison wisconsin the same thing we had a tremendous demonstration there and last saturday there were over one hundred thousand people showed up in madison so we're speaking out and the people are speaking out but we've had such a overwhelming republican majority in the house and senate in these various areas it's hard to fight it back so what we've got to do is to demonstrate get this word out create a buzz to talk about what's about fairness in america that's what we got to talk about you know that if there is a problem with the budget like we talked about you know in wisconsin in wisconsin the public employee said ok there's one hundred thirty eight million dollar deficit we'll sit down and we'll talk about it we'll feel that. we want to do that and the governor said no that's not enough i want your collective bargaining rights so it shows that it's not about budget the budget is just a cover story the real story here is not about budget it's about union busting and that's what this is abo

the voices of it protesters here in madison are clearly not being heard. everyone in the political groups keeps on saying that this is about money it has nothing to do with money and it's getting to be less and less about unions and more and more about rights and democracy. the governor and the republicans especially are not listening to their constituents who they were you know voted in to represent. so do you feel that becoming a participant with anonymous. is somehow furthering this cause you go like that makes a strong statement what they're doing. i think it does i came to anonymous after hearing that they were siding at least with the rights of people everywhere. they are a force to be reckoned with they are something that cannot be ignored. anonymous you know just hearing that strikes fear into the hearts i believe of politicians of corporations of pretty much anyone who hears it because there is no one that they can think or there is no one that they can stop. now i know on i want to switch to you know the koch brothers might be a good example of y

you look hard at madison's notes at the convention for a reference to iroquois confederacy. there is no significance at all. >> host: we have this question for you. this is from red forced. what was the significance of alexander hamilton's plan to exchange u.s. debt for state that? >> guest: profoundly important. this went into effect. all of the unrest in the states was in part a response to the taxation of the 1780s where the states were trying to retire their revolutionary war debt by taxes on land, a multiple of what they had been before and the people were very rested but hamilton proposed a brilliant idea, that all the state debts would become a natural death. national debt. he would issue bondss on the united states. a 4% rather than 6%. and didn't have to pay the principal we believe. all you had to pay was the interest. you could do that on the revenue that was coming and on the imports plus some excise taxes and the unfortunate run on whiskey. if basically what he did was to relieve a component of their budget which was the majority what we were raising money for.

yet it's still where is the use wisconsin in madison or anything like that because just historically because madison it was cars that have such more of a labor history but yeah i mean it's great to see people whether there's a little bill or against the bill either way just people coming out and voicing their opinions and participating in democracy but do you have an opinion on this of course these lawmakers are saying that this isn't about union busting this is just about you know this is a balancing act to fix the state's budget how do you see it. well i don't really have been reporting on it so i can't really give my opinion but from what i've seen in a crowd of a lot of people who do see it as union busting especially people from the unions themselves serious union busting. one of the students i talked to from o.s.u. who gave the speech is trying to become a teacher isn't a program he graduated from the u. he's in a program to become a teacher he says he basically sees this as part of a larger agenda of republicans to strip people democratic supporters of everything they care abo

the other republican governors ain't mad at madison.s budgetary peep show. looks like they want to take it all off, too. ♪ want to take it all off ♪ >> jimmy: it's all right. ♪ it's all right it's all right ♪ ♪ governor walker has a simple goal got to make that money while he works the pole ♪ [ laughter ] >> this standoff has gotten so contentious that a group of 14 democrats has actually fled the capital, leaving state republicans without the quorum they needed to bring this bill to a vote. ♪ >> jimmy: uh-huh-huh. [ light laughter ] looks like those democrats left in the middle of the night without even saying good-bye. now they're creeping with the lights off and the curtains down at a hotel out of town. that's right. ♪ they're at the hotel hotel hotel holiday inn ♪ ♪ say what ♪ [ scattered cheers ] >> solidarity protests have now sprung up in other states like ohio and indiana. additionally, unions from across the country now have joined in : the protests in madison including the a.f.l.-c.i.o's. >> jimmy: the i.b.e.w. >> the u.a.w.cc

these aren't easy to find, but there's madison bum garther in striking them out. -- madison bum gardener striking them out. as won it 6-0. >>> sharks tonight trying to stay hot in the middle of a six- game home stand. we'll have that one and all of the day's sports at 10:00 on "sports wrap." >>> coming up on the 10:00 news, more on the violence the -- violence in the mission district. >>> find out who plans to join them on the streets. that's tonight on the 10:00 news. i'm ken pritchett. >> i'm heather holmes. for everyone here at ktvu, thank you for joining us. the next newscast is at 10:00 tonight. hope to see you back then, everyone. >> good night.

i spoke earlier today with the with the chief of the firefighters union in madison who said they're also exploring options earlier today the firefighters union and the sheet metal workers union is it and i bank and i think it's the second largest contributor to scott walker's campaign unitholders proximately one billion dollars of investments in this bank and they're threatening to pull them out unless this bank denounces what scott walker's doing but the thing that's going to have an impact well if scott walker isn't willing to listen to voters is at least willing to listen to the people who pay for his campaign bankers all right labor journalist my calc and soon at the university of wisconsin david david vines joining us from inside the capitol there in madison wisconsin. well there is then continued chaos and violence in libya and more than ever the next chapter there remains uncertain and the discussion has now turned to what the u.s. government should do many politicians contemplating whether or not and how to get involved but as ours is honest answers we're going to now reports man

in wisconsin while harry and claire rowan is one of the organizers of the union protests there in madison and he's joining us over the far wall with that bill fletcher co-author of this book right here solidarity divided the crisis in organized labor and a new path towards social justice thank you both so much for being here going to start with you a lot of folks are saying that that what is happening in madison wisconsin is just a microcosm of the of the bigger issue which is this awakening in the labor movement would you agree with that assessment or absolutely it's it's awakening it's resistance it's actually inspired by the arab revolt and the you mean so no question about it how. in the arab world people under incredibly have conditions challenge to very backward regimes and they have been when someone of courage and masses of people turned out i think. from discussions that i've had with people who have been on the ground very in wisconsin they've time to given that they were inspired by the people to come forward resistant and not simply take what was being thrown at them right but

special agent assigned to the state capital madison. and what was it like in one thousand seven hundred what was the student's life what was happening here well the students were. really involved with the the vietnam war there was demonstrations going on and some of them were very violent there was a lot of tear gas lot of broken windows what was the demand the key demand was to get out of the. but it tiny splinter group of students saw themselves as already at war with the nixon administration. and the nearest target was close at hand the campus army math research center. a research lab funded by the pentagon and housed in the department of physics. at three forty two am on the twenty fourth of august nine hundred seventy an explosion destroyed the army math center. hundreds of f.b.i. agents from all over the united states were sent to wisconsin this was of extreme interest to the white house was that this yellow explosion absolutely it went all the way to the director's desk there was daily contact with the the oval office as to what

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