madison.> she sat side by side with james madison helping him. >> she moved back to washington d.c. in her elder years and became very much behind the scenes in a political field again. >> as henry clay famously said, everybody loves mrs. madison. her equally famous response -- that's because mesrs. madison loves everyone. >> dolley madison came to her service as first lady with experience during thomas jefferson's two terms. the president often called on her to assist him. this sense of the usefulness of diplomacy all-out dolley to hit the ball running. she assumed the role in 1809 as her husband james madison became the president. welcome. we will learn about the intriguing dolley madison. we have two guests at our table. let me introduce you to them. catherine allgor, an author and biographer of dolley madison. thank you for being here. >> it's a pleasure. >> edith mayo was the creator of the first lady's exhibit at the smithsonian. thank you for being here tonight. >> it is a pleasure. >>

madison.er equally famous response. >> dolley madison came to her service as first lady with experience during thomas jefferson's two terms. the president often called her -- called on her to assist him. this sense of the usefulness of diplomacy all-out dali to hit the ball running. she assumed the role in 89 as her husband james madison became the president. welcome. we will learn about the intriguing dolly madison. we have two guests at our table. let me introduce you to them. an author and biographer of dolly madison -- dolley madison. thank you for being here. our other guest was the creator of the first lady's exhibit at the smithsonian. thank you for being here tonight. >> it is a pleasure. >> any 21st century woman who starts to read about dolley madison can see parallels to their own lives. was she ahead of her time? a modern person in the early 1800's's or not? >> that is the paradox. she was raised in a certain culture. she starts adapting in a way that paved the way for modernity. s

there was a story that dolley madison asked henry, name one of her sons after james madison. in this rendition of the story, she does not get the gift. >> in a related question from twitter, what was dolley madison's opinion of thomas jefferson and did the madisons ever visit monticello? >> i think they visited back and forth. they were good friends and knew each other for many years. maybe you have more information on that. what is the distance between their home and monticello? >> is a little ways. when we talk about retirement years, the few times james madison leaves his beloved is to visit thomas jefferson. i would say we do not know the true opinion of a lot of people of dolley madison because she was very cautious. thomas jefferson seemed to love her, even though she is conducting a social circle under his nose and nobody hated like thomas ever since. the fact that he adored dolley speaks volumes about her. >> catherine is up next. >> thank you for taking my call. my question is, i know that dolley madison was raised a quaker and her first husband was a quaker. and was

and first lady dolly madison. the author examines president madison's decision to declare war, the first president to do so, and the succeeding battles on land and sea as america fought its second war for independence from britain. this is a little under an hour. .. we will ask staff take? maybe. or maybe not. just didn't hold up. or yes. even though hugh howard and i are fast friends and had more than a few beers together over the years and written many chair left side by side while skiing doesn't necessarily follow that i would staff pick his excellent new book. i did it because it is in fact an excellent book. moron that in a moment. hugh howard's book shop working in new york for various publishing houses for ten years. as an architectural historian he wrote a series of articles for the new york times which became the basis for his first book the preservationist's progress. over the ensuing years he has written a dozen books on american architecture, art and history. happily for us he and his wife betsy moved

i saw this fancy woman once madison said. he put his arm around her sister and guided her along the path. she took all the feeling from a man's toes. she gave him a foot rub. when she got to the toes she put them in her mouth. saddy squinted at her brother. it's true. one by one she sucked them and they were dirty. but when she was done you know what? the man started hollering he says, i cannot feel my toes. he jumps up and waddels like a turkey. he didn't know he didn't have any toes anymore. madison grinned the woman was a witch much the fields were soft to the touch. all the way home madison told his sister about the witches and the world. when the saudi came to view he stopped talking the door was open the inside shadowy. there was no one in sight but he could hear his sister in law kth rin talking to blue flies. madison tucked his chin as if against the weather. something about the air felt dense. something felt like pushing against water on a flooded plain. well, a lot happens between now and the next morning i will sum

a lot of the time it was madison and saddy alone in the house. mark would get money and their dad would go off on a drunk. mornings then the sun rose behind saddy's highs she would say, maddy you are hungry. he would say what time is it? she would say, time to go hunting. sometimes they did went hunting and didn't go to school just the 2 of them they took the short cut home that afternoon much the morning rain had blown over and the fields steamed in the afternoon heat. yellow dandy lions dotted the sage brush and the moist earth sucked their shoes. maddy grinned thinking about what katherine might say. she would say, maddy did you do this? he would say, yes , i did. as they got closer to home, he saw smoke blazing into the sky where the saudi would be. they had built the fire she and his brother mark. saddy was walking ahead. madison looked at the drunken line of stitches on her sleeve the crook ed seam and the knot of material that rode her shoulder like a hump much the air began to feel thick like water. wait. he grabbed her arm and picked at

>> did dolley madison travel abroad? >> >> i don't think she ever travel add broad. >> diplomats were amazed by that because she was so converse nt and she was a diplomatic wife so they did marvel that she had that quality. >> and how did she get her knowledge of french fashions for example? >> if you were dolley madison, you could not go anywhere whether it was a city in america or france without having to shop for her. also very early on she became the patriot jay of the french minister's wife and she schooled her as well. >> she hired a master of ceremonies in the white house who was french and familiar with all of the diplomatic niceties shall we say so that he would explain to her what kind of food was served and what the french taste was and what french qui sin was about so she had a number of people who helped school her in this type of thing. >> the white house staff is large d all of this come from the money that they were paid or from their personal wealth, all these extra staff and advisors that you talk about

james madison gave three speeches when he was president. thomas jefferson did too. people never saw the president, they never heard the president, let alone the first ladies. so the public perception, there really isn't a public perception. it's a good question but it's sitchpli a different time and it's not there. >> the white house was burned by the british and the madisons had to leave. the mon rose were able to move back in. how important symbolically was this for the country? >> huge. the white house had become in effect america's house. one of the reasons why then and

it wasn't until madison was long dead that englishman john stuart mill proposed and basically invented the idea of proportional representation is around eight hundred sixty or whichever party got for example nine percent of the vote that party would then get nine percent of the seats in parliament to put their people into or thirty percent or sixty percent whatever the voters wanted they go proportional representation is the reason why there are so many political parties in germany or israel or france or japan and a host of other developed nations under proportional representation the voices of all the people are heard because it not only allows for but actually promotes multiple political parties there are two ways we can accomplish this democratic ideal of more than just two political parties here in the united states two ways we can do it here in america right now the first is to have the states change the way they apportion votes to congress in the senate and arguably we could do it with a giant constitutional memo this can all be done at the state level. proportional representatio

seven hundred eighty eight when he was trying to sell it had this horrible realisation madison realized that we were the first real democracy of major significance since rome and that our democracy was in reality an experiment you also realize that we first. as the post winner take all actions you could have a democracy if there were only two parties so fifty one percent of the vote could win that's democratic majority but you couldn't have a real small d democracy in a small our republic with more than two parties with three parties thirty four percent of the vote could run the country the four parties it could be twenty six percent of up to five parties twenty one percent that's why in federalist number ten madison bade us not to form political parties what he called factions madison wrote it maybe could include that a pure democracy by which i mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens who assemble administer the government in person can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction it wasn't until madison was long dead that englishman john stuart mill proposed and basic

james madison was against that, but madison and virginia is one of the capital on the potomac river. so there was a famous dinner that was held at monticello, thomas jefferson south, where thomas jefferson invited james madison and alexandria hamilton, and then over dinner at monticello and perhaps a few glasses of beer, they struck the compromise of 1790 which was the federal government would assume the debt, the wartime debt from the revolutionary war, in exchange for the capital being placed right here on the potomac river. so the compromise of 1790 was actually the deciding factor in creating the district of columbia. they came there to the spot we are standing on now, and had a masonic ritual -- this is, the nations have their aprons and trials and corn oil. they gave some speech is right you on the spot, and the ceremonial laying of the southernmost boundary marker, which is what we're standing on now. that's how the district was created. >> next on booktv, learn about the history of the alexandria police department. amy bertsch uses photos to tell the story of the department a

when i had told amy [inaudible] madison that the first time i saw the statute of liberty i thought the statute was a huge white unbreakable doll. amy said her memory of the statute was of her little brother crying. what will happen to us now? if the people don't like us where will we go. we have nowhere to go. will they throw us back to the sea. we don't have a home anymore. anywhere. memory does have a home land. it appeared to me once in the memory of a phone call our mother's bright flame for amy. before i could say, how are you. amy said, a wonder thing happen indeed a conference in japan last month much i was walking with a japanese woman talking about literature when she stopped, turned to me and said, are we still college eyes to you for what we did to your mother in chien and i apologize to you. amy laughed when she said anger disappeared from my life from my very body when my new friend spoke to me. when she acknowledged my childhood grieve and offered hope in the form of an apology. thank you. [applause] >> our next reader is grace angel. she is painter, poet and photographer

dolley madison was social by nature. . e loved large receptions elizabeth loved to stay home with her family. she was devoted to her daughters, to her grandchildren and at the white house that's what she really enjoyed. that's what she wanted to do. she wanted to be with her family. she did not like large crowds which was very uncomfortable at the large receptions that the president had but was very charming in smaller groups. at small dinners or a small group of friend or visitors, everyone praised her charm, her conversation. said she sparkled so just a very different type of person than dolley madison. >> explain washington in this time period and how important social was to political. >> well rkt it's interesting. as you said the monroe years are the era of good feeling. i think you could probably take issue with that, particularly the second term. by that point we were close to being a one party state. the old fed ra list party had died off. the war of 1812 had been concluded that most considered a victory. we had est

president, james madison. we'll include your phone calls, facebook comments and tweets on dolley madison tonight at 9:00 eastern on c-span and c-span 3 and c-span radio and c-span. org. today on c-span q and a with nobel prize winner jody williams followed by the calls, tweets and e-mails live on washington journal. then the advocacy group for seniors, aarp host a discussion on federal benefits

james madison would have worded -- >> wait. are you saying there's something immoral about manufacturing guns in this country? that appears to be what you're saying. >> no, tucker. >> wait. hold on, let me finish. slow down. >> you said it's no time to be wooing gun manufacturers. why is that? >> i think it's probably not the best time for politicians to be making an issue of economic development when it comes to gun manufacturers. >> our economy is in shambles now. we want those jobs. >> james madison, as you know, who wrote the second amendment, who wrote the bill of rights, who was a virginian probably would have written it a little bit differently if he knew. >> no, he wouldn't. the second amendment is not about hunting. it's about defending our rights. >> just a couple seconds here. sum it up for us. >> sure. beretta, please come to virginia. i will help finance it. you will have a wonderful business environment. low tax, low regulatory, and fewer boneheaded liberals. come on over. the water is fine, beretta. we need you.

president james madison. we will include your calls and tweets on dolly madison, monday at 9:00 eastern on c-span. >> during question time on wednesday, british prime minister david cameron and opposition leader debated over bonuses for bankers. the government will form -- welfare reform policy, and housing benefits. this is just over an hour. >> questions to the prime minister. >> thank you. this morning i had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others. i shall have further such meetings later today. >> over to a half thousand households are affected by the veteran tax. the housing federation -- thousands of disabled people have no chance -- no chance but to cut back further. will the prime minister adopt this policy? >> let me be absolutely clear. this is not a tax rip-off let me explain to the labor party. a tax is when you earn some money, the government take some of that money away from you, that as a tax. only labor can call the benefit reform but tax increase. let me be clear to you. pensions are

in the united states it is pure first past the post winner take all this is the problem the james madison confronted when he first wrote the constitution and you know he in seven hundred eighty seven and he was out selling it and seven hundred eighty eight and he suddenly realized as he was writing federalist number ten oh my god of political parties form and we have these first past the post winner take all elections. other words fifty one percent of the people can win the election so if you have two political parties you can have one party got fifty one percent of the vote cool as democratic but what happens if you have three parties and you can have thirty four percent of the vote you know running the country if you have four parties twenty six percent of the vote and he freaked out to know what to do his solution in federalist number ten you can read it was to say please don't form political parties which is particularly ironic because this is the guy who with his mentor thomas jefferson just five years later formed the democratic republican party which is today the democratic party t

and jefferson started the democratic republican party drop the word republican from the last half madison went on the record as president to say that this is a democracy he said it repeatedly you can go back and find the references and and pointed out that he basically made that distinction in order to sell the constitution and so from the eight hundred twenty s. until the one nine hundred fifty s. we refer to the united states as a democracy as a republic or as what it lee literally is constitutionally limited because it's limited by our constitution our government is limited by the constitution representative we. higher representatives we don't do it ourselves democratic first past the winner takes all in the whoever gets more than fifty percent of the vote wins democratic republic nation of laws so we are close to a limited representative democratic republic and you know that that is what we are but in the one nine hundred fifty s. when joe mccarthy started talking about the democrat party. their conclusion or the decision was made at the level of the republican party that the word rep

the last program was dolley madison. she really used the social form to advance her husband's political agenda. what was elizabeth monroe's approach to the white house? >> she and dolley madison were great friends. they were at a very different temperaments. was social by nature and was happy to get in her carriage and go visit all day long. elizabeth monroe wanted to stay home with her family. she was devoted to her daughter, her grandchildren, and, at the white house, that is what she really enjoyed and that is what she wanted to do. she wanted to be with her family. she did not like a large crowds. she was very uncomfortable at the large receptions the president had. she was very charming in smaller groups. when there was a small circle of friends together, everyone praised her charm, her affability, per conversation, said she sparkled. just a very different type of person. >> explain washington in this time and how important social was to political. >> it is interesting. these years were known as the era of good feel

than a year of e mails and phone conversations, amy,ling and i met at the university of wisconsin in madison. it was sometime during the mid 1980. calcutta was very hot, said amy. i wondered how our conversation about asian american literature veered to calcutta? calcutta was very hot but i got my first doll there. we spent some time in calcutta when we fled to the united states. the doll didn't look like me blond hair and blue ice bought from calcutta. she comforted me when i remember the sounds of the japanese bombs that forced us to leave our home. did you have a dog? an indian doll to comfort you when you were a child? i told amy about my doll named champy and my oldest paternal uncle who resembled chinese ancestors. my uncle was an astounding musician played the violin and k helo. i would pick up shanty's head and place her ears on the door because her ears were smaller than my ears. i wanted her to listen carefully to the wonderful sound. i may have know in the way children know but my uncle's music would disappear from my life far too soon. he died when he was 40 years old. i tried to

---madison, es la mujer que grabo un video de a los moretones de eliana creados por su marido.r ---tiempo de la primera pausa, pero mas adelante... take vo cesar ---el papa francisco casi sufre su primer caida como sumo pontifice... le tenemos las imagenes... nat sound --- wait for cue blanca ---noel torres llega a la nat sound --- wait for cue blanca ---noel torres llega a la bahia con su ritmo de musica regional mexicana... take vo cesar ---enteres que actrices son las candidatas para dar vida en una pelicula a la diva de la banda... take sot --- javier castro ===roll ticker=== topvo cesar ---el papa francisco casi tuvo hoy su primera caida papal.. ---mientras se reunia con los miembros del colegio cardenalicio, el sumo pontifice bajo de su silla para agradecer a un cardenal y piso mal uno de los escalones, lo que causo que se tambaleara ligeramente... cesar ---hoy el vaticano salio a la defensa del papa francisco... pitch - blanca ---esto ante las acusaciones de que toler la dictadura militar argentina durante la decada de los 70. take 2 box ---norma garcia, desde el vatican

the their phrase was, i believe, that madison, james madison suppressed it and, therefore, madison, you know, historically took credit for the origination. i would just like to know the professor's, professor schweikart's position on that. is there some veracity to this position? >> guest: i don't know. i am not a constitutional scholar. it's not my area of special interest. it's possible. but also remember the pinckneys, obviously, have their own historical position to assert. it's like it's not the votes that count, who counts the votes. in the case of the history of the constitutional convention, it's not what really happened, but what madison said happened. he's our only source on that. so i don't know what to tell you. but, you know, there's a book called "miracle in philadelphia" that's an excellent review of that that you might want to check. otherwise i don't know what else to tell you on that one. i did come up with an answer though. right before the civil war we were at a total deadlock to the point the house of representatives could not even elect a speaker. we can still do t

time i saw the doll was in a collection of dolls aranged with great care in the house by the lake in madison where amy's memorial was held in 1999. last year, 7 years after amy's death i saw an old woman selling dolls right in front of the young federalist blocking the entrance to the [inaudible] and the conflict torn town. in 2006. and i thought of amy. and her passion for justice. and her love of dolls. later that evening, i thought of amy again. i found my friend shanty at the dining room table watching the television news about iraq. she was touching one of the most grotesque doll i had seen much the doll is 10 inches tall and look as if she was dying offan rexia. she was in a long gown, of course, blontd hair and green ice. if you can mag manual a bizarre version of a barbie that doll was it. returned from the 15th birthday celebration of friends of the family and the doll was part of the souvenir package given to all the female guests. everyone was given that doll. i was about to make a joke about that doll when i realized that 53 year old shanty was holding on to that doll as if it wa

dolley madison.ere any information about how she was able to function socially with poor health? >> that is a great question. that is part of why she was an almost invisible first lady. she had serious health problems. she had excruciating headaches. it was thought she suffered from arthritis. there were a number of people who believed she may have had a late onset epilepsy, the falling diseased, at that point. disease,as the falling at that point. that is something that would have been kept a secret from the public. none of the byproducts of her -- one of the byproducts of her poor health, she also had stand in her place her daughter. , eliza. it is her daughter who is responsible for a number of these actions blamed on her mother. it gave off an aura of snobbery. house wedding of the president's daughter took place. eliza took over preparations. it was she who said, this is a family affair. you talk about those 500 or 600 people. and number of them thought they should have been invited to the weddi

i saw this fancy woman once madison said. he put his arm around her sister and guided her along the path. she took all the feeling from

there phrase was i believe madison, james madison suppress it and therefore madison historically took credit for the or origination. i would like to know the professor's position on that. is there some veracity to this position? >> guest: i don't know. i am not a constitutional scholar. it is not my area of special interest. it is possible but also remember the pinckneys have their own historical position to a search. it is like it is not the votes that count but who counts the vote. in the case of the history of the constitutional convention, it is not what really happened but what madison said happened. he is our only source on that. i don't know what to tell you. there is a book called miracle in philadelphia that there is an excellent review of that you might want to check. otherwise i don't know what to tell you. i did come up with an answer. right before the civil war, we were at a total deadlock to the point that the house of representatives could not even elect a speaker which we still do today. they could not even elect a speaker so there have been times in our history where

james madison was against that, but madison and the virginians wanted the capital on the photo photo -- potomac river. so there was a famous dinner held at monticello where thomas jefferson invited james madison and alexander hamilton, and over dinner they struck the compromise of 1790 which was that the federal government would assume the debts, the wartime debts from the revolutionary war, in exchange for the capital being placed right here on the potomac river. so the compromise of 1790 was actually the key deciding factor in creating the district of columbia. they came here to this spot we're standing on now and had a masonic ritual. this is the masons had their aprons and the trowels and corn oil, and they gave some speeches right here on this spot and did the ceremonial laying of the southernmost boundary marker, which is what we're standing over now. and that was how the district was createed. >> for more information on booktv's recent visit to alexandria, virginia, and the many other cities visited by our local content vehicles, go to c-span.org/localcontent. >> booktv airs e

is the author of several books including his latest american stolen narrative from washington in madison to nixon reagan in the bushes to obama robert welcome back thanks tom great to have you with us so what let's start at the beginning here and actually start the beginning i guess we're going to go back to the madison view the whole show as of right but. the l.b.j. library back a year or two ago three years ago i guess it is now released the tapes showing that nixon had blown up those negotiations which caused l.b.j. as vice president you were humphrey to lose the election and nixon this is the same kind of thing right you basically have these two major scandals probably perhaps the two biggest national security scandals the last third of the century the twentieth century watergate and the iran contra scandal and what we now know based on some of the new material coming out of these archives is that they actually weren't the big scandals those scandals themselves were part of sort of sequels to earlier scandals in the case of the watergate we now know that what nixon was very concerned

where we bring in dolley madison and what role does she have to play in this administration? referred to by carl anthony brilliantly as the queen mother, think, she had a beautiful angelica singleton, martin van buren had four single secretary and his chief aide and she introduced them all at a dinner party. was dolley madison back in washington? >> her husband had died. had to sell off the plantation. bestr son wasn't the manager so she moved back to washington. she also loved the washington scene. bought a house on lafayette square. she was right there. immediately jumped in to the social swing where she had been happiest and she came back a widow. >> back to >> we now talk about the buren administration. are you there? we have lost her. let's go to kentucky. i am calling about mrs. jackson. i thought she had a son who passed away. i would also like to comment on angelica's impression on the of the whitetess house and representing the buren administration abroad and how dolley madison and influenced her role. thank you. >> she died shortly after rachel moved to washington.

she took madison jefferson into hatred. she hated thomas jefferson.nce he started his newspaper campaign against washington, and the reason he brought washington into it was to defeat hamilton. he said, it is a shame how much the president suffered from the source of attacks but it is necessary. she never forgave him. never. he never realized she was smart enough to see what he was doing. she thought he was horrible. the fact he was elected president was shocking. >> he made the mistake of underestimating martha washington. martha grew closer personally and politically to the atoms -- adams. she was glad it is -- it was tom adams. -- she was glad that it was john adams who won the presidency to succeed him. >> next week, we will delve in for 90 minutes for the life of abigail adams. how many years post presidency did they live at mount vernon? >> he lived two years. she lived 2.5 beyond that. >> what was the time like, their last two years -- their last years together as a couple? >> it was a great time. they were experimenting, dealing with the mill

back with me is walter madison, attorney for malik richmond.o joining us, attorney gloria allred and actress tracy lords who grew up in steubenville and was raped there at the age of 10. gloria, i will start with you. you heard very emotional reaction from malik richmond's father. you might expect that, he's his father. what do you make of this verdict? what does it say about steubenville or indeed, america and teenagers today? >> well, the judge did find that both defendants were delinquent, in other words, that they were guilty of the crime of rape and one of them was guilty not only of the crime of rape, but also displaying images of a minor in nudity oriented material which of itself is a crime. i was very interested in what you had to say, sir, because you seemed to be wobbling about your client's so-called apology. was he acting, was this just heartfelt? which is it? you really can't have it both ways. >> i can't fool everyone. there wasn't a dry eye in the courtroom. so it's easy for you to be critical, for whatever reason you have, but

i don't believe that thomas jefferson and madison werecying -- sitting around one day and madison said, you know, tom, i have $1,000 and you have $100, so i get 10 times more free speech than you. i just can't imagine that happening, if that's what the supreme court said. citizens united and the whole influence of money and the political system needs to be revisited and tackled and taken care of because it is corrosive to democracy. >> just a for a minutes left. >> how many? >> about three. >> we sat here in the studio last year in the lead up to the 2012 election and you talked about pushing the unions to be more independent, politically independent especially in the democratic party but as it turns out, i think you guys were pretty much in line with the president and democratic party and helping out the party as you have in the past. were there ways you did show your independence before and are now? >> look, when i talked about independence, i was talking about building our structure or building someone else's structure. when we build somebody else's structure, no matter who it is, d

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uw, madison in madison has the basics program, which they just started using this year, and it is really to provide feedback and information, some brief intervention, some prevention, if you will, to help students make better decisions, so that they can be happy and successful, which is what they want and it's what their parents want. and, justin, was that your scenario? did you go on to college and what did you see while you were there? i got into college right out of high school into the [inaudible] school of business and was actually asked to leave a fraternity for drinking too much. so my experience- that was very responsible on their part. yeah, i mean, it really was. i was drinking at such an obnoxious and dangerous level that even for that kind of atmosphere it was deemed inappropriate. and so my experience in college was people were drinking, they were going to classes drunk, and i would think that's pretty common across the board. and so when that happens now, we know that there's an option for someone who really wants to-that has had a problem really continuing college through

it's the basis of marbury versus madison. and it supposes as was said in laureate mardy the reason they have the right to over the legislature or the president in particular cases is that the constitution is a law like any other the there's a hierarchy, the conflict of law principle, the federal law will beat the state law, constitutional will meet federal and by the wake of the treaties will be it federal law. there is a hierarchy created by the constitution. and so, when there is a particular a firm rule of law to be found in the constitution, judges have the authority to articulate. so by the way the members of the congress. when there isn't a role of law to be found in the constitution, then the political branches are supposed to have the final say. and one of the great clashes in modern jurisprudences between the people who really believe in the rationale of marbury versus madison, that the constitution wins when it is all. and the people who think well, now that we've got judicial review we can make things up as we go a

late this evening, they pulled madison's lifeless body from the water. >> we did find the young girl who went in after her brother. we found her near an area we thought we'd be looking for. >> reporter: they are still looking for a 28-year-old man who jumped in to help her. a good samaritan now presumed dead. john schriffen, abc news, new york. >>> and now to another troubling story on the water tonight. this one, a recurring nightmare at sea. for the third time this week, carnival cruise trips in trouble. tonight, passengers asking, what's going on? is this just bad luck or is something amiss in the cruise industry? again tonight, abc's gio benitez. >> reporter: it's been a bad week for carnival. the latest? "the legend." 2,000 passengers limping back to tampa because of a technical problem. this, as passengers from "the dream" stranded in st. martin yesterday with a generator problem, arrived home. saturday, it was "the elation," escorted by a tug boat after a steering problem. these latest incidents pale in comparison to the horror passengers went through for eight days on the car

madison in the '70s, it was hard to get a knife.fe out of bone, out of a t-bone steak. we used to get steak back in the day. i sharpened it down and i was going to stab the guy with it. before i could stab the guy with it, they had busted me with it. they saw it in my hand. they took it. the name stuck. the guys in the penitentiary called me t-bone. >> but it was taylor's desire to rise to the top of the gang hierarchy on the outside what led him to conduct the cold-blooded murders. for which he will spend the rest of his life behind bars. it happened at a ruckus party in waterloo, iowa. when police arrived to shut it down, taylor grabbed one of the officer's pistols. >> i just shot the man three times, right? everybody broke and run. and the other police, he was still down, right? so i ran over there and i shot him three times. it wasn't because i was on no drugs or alcohol. i wasn't impaired, you know. >> and afterwards? >> trying to get away, it wasn't no remorse or nothing. i wasn't even thinking about turning myself in or nothi

>> well, you know, there's only one madison square garden, they had that extraordinary land in midtownt hockey team. they're going to -- in overtime, they're going to be back in the winners circle. i think the knicks and the rangers down the road will win world championships again. and they have great pricing power. that inhibits new competition, and i think you'll never really have another competitor for madison square garden in manhattan. >> i also want to talk to you about holdings since the bottom. at this point, how do you decide when to trim or to actually eliminate these positions? and we're talking about cbre, meredith and royal caribbean seeing tremendous runs since '09. >> well, the two with the most explosive growth, you know, royal caribbean is up close to 500% from the market lows and cb richard ellis up close to 8%. spectacular runs. we think they're good long-term core holdings, but we have lightened up because they're not as bargain priced as they used to. meredith is one of our favorites today, up roughly 300% since the market bottomed, there's a great story about mere

madison finished his homework.o i wonder if the topic, it's a structural federalism versus the 1791 persian ever arisen your conversations with judge bork and that he may have served on that to you. >> the topic came up often although not comparing 1789 to 1791. we have at the moment is the 1992 constitutions. that was the date of the last amendment, which was privately different ratification in 1992 i wanted to the 12 amendments proposed to the states in 1790. for major changes, each changes in later parts. adoption of the income tax fundamentally changed the role of the federal government via the states and not generate so much revenue it completely has the states do anything it wants. the 16th amendment, which changed the senators -- these to be elected by state representatives for now by the people as fundamentally change the structure because congress no longer contained representatives of the states as entities. and of course the civil war amendments, 13 or 14 and 15. if anything change the structure was the

joining friends at madison square garden who were going to teach me to do that.i was going to join the cast of disney live. first stop, wardrobe. >> i wanted to be arial. >> we'll start you here. >> reporter: the color is huge. >> that's beautiful on you. >> why don't you try this hand band. >> reporter: then it was time to hit the stage and learn from the stare choreographer. >> this is our awesome stage. >> reporter: you're going to teach me everything you need to know. but winding it up and clapping my hands, wasn't quite as easy as it seems. >> little bit quicker. five. >> reporter: next up, bring out the real pros. hi, everybody. and one last run-through before show time. >> here we go. >> five, six, seven. >> raise the roof. >> reporter: thank you, guys. good job. now, we're going to up to wardrobe where i'll put on the final costume. i'm getting a little bit nervous. this is my outfit that i got to put on. and the bloomers. i head back down. almost time for the show. >> just smile big. >> reporter: excitement. before i knew it, i was on. i'm no pro but not