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the bunny madoff story? alles -- [ laughter ] bernie, no. >> steve: i'm sorry. i didn't hear you. >> jimmy: no. alessandro nivola is joining us, you guys. >> steve: yeah! [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: it's good, really good. oh, and we have great music from our pals dirty projectors -- >> steve: oh! [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: featuring dawn is here tonight. guys, it's may. summer's right around the corner. it's time to start loading up on some good books for the beach. >> steve: ooh. >> jimmy: which means you got to toss out all those bad books you got lying around your house. so to help you out, i'm about to show you some books you should avoid at all costs. it's time for my latest installment of my "do-not-read list." here we go, "do not read." [ cheers and applause ] ♪ do not read do not read do not read these books these books ♪ >> jimmy: now, before we start, i just want you to know that every book i'm about to show you is 100% real. these are actual books. you can find them on amazon or chec

this is the bernie madoff story. de niro before? is this your first time? >> i had -- i was in "american hustle" with him but we didn't have any scenes together. >> jimmy: no. did you -- >> we never met. >> jimmy: have to audition for this one? >> did i have to audition? well, it was kind of an audition. i got this call from my agent saying that there was interest in me to play de niro's son in the madoff movie. and i couldn't believe it. and the guy's like one of my all-time great heroes. >> jimmy: of course, it's robert de niro. >> the problem was i was doing "the elephant man" with bradley cooper in london. and he was on a family vacation on a boat somewhere in europe. and so it was like a conundrum. how are we going to get together? >> jimmy: so you're on a boat with robert de niro? >> well yeah, i get there, i get over to the boat. and it's like, you know, it's his family holiday. he's got all his family there. his wife his sons, his daughters, they're all there. best friends and everything. and i'm this actor o

a lot of madoff movie, a bumper crop of them.you missed abc's last year, it's on cnbc tonight. >> hbo shows the latest one on saturday. >> we have that straight. >> exactly. >>> here's the markets in the meantime. well, it is a rally day today, gains four tenths a percent, pushing s&p and nasdaq into record intra-day territory, russe russell's up more. snap regaining ground lost l.a. week. stock up 7% today, best day since march 3rd. this after the company rolled out a new augmented reality ad mori mat enabling users to see images or words overlaid in the world they see through their phone's camera. it's gotten people excited. >> who does the better madoff? >> i have not seen -- >> you have not seen the de niro one. >> right. >> the two truman movies that came out at the same time? >> no. >> you have to. we'll talk. >> who -- which was the better one? if i have to watch one -- >> i'll explain. happy ipo anniversary to amazon. 20 years sense the company became public, i think that the correct terminology. stock soared. get this. r

whenever we talk about ernie madoff, i always -- bernie madoff, i always think about the money.ifferent from what irving the card has been doing? eric: right. he has paid out $9 billion over eight and a half years and has $2 billion more to hand out. richard brand got the $4 billion directly from the doj and was tasked with handing it out and hasn't done any of it. what just waiting -- -- four red tape? the doj will ultimately decide that, but he missed a couple of deadlines to start repaying. there's a complete difference in the types of cases that he was willing to take and what we are talking about here. i notice that we are talking about being in the region of a billion dollars. if you look at the fees in the case, they are significantly lower, the tens of millions. there are significant differences when they are compared to the cases and the types of investigatory work that is needed. but i guess my question, rather than ranting on about the differences would be -- how do you better regulate this? this is not just one example of putting it into administrative hands and they

robert de niro and michelle pfeiffer stop by studio 1a to talk about bringing the bernie madoff story to tv. >> why are they making it seem like i'm involved? >> they're out for blood. >>> as the new kids on the block kick off the week with a huge concert on the plaza. ♪ you got the right stuff, baby ♪ >> today, may 15th, 2017. ♪ >> all right. let's hear it for the front row of new kids on the block. got some great signs. donnie, she wants a hug. are we celebrating something? >> happy birthday to me. best day ever. >> when was your first new kids on the block concert? >> my first concert was in 1989. >> i love your dress. >> i love new kids on the block. >> it's almost time. i want to know one thing -- who is most excited about new kids on the block?

madoff specifically, how much money still needs to be paid out to madoff's victims?you read the "usa today" it has not paid out any money to the victims. it's misleading. in all over $9 billion has indeed been paid out from the main fund to direct madoff investors, that's the key, because there is another $4 billion sitting around yet to be paid out to the thousands of victims who were impacted indirectly. here now to walk us through this maze of billions is the "new york times" author of the book "the wizard of lies." also jacob frankel, partner at dickinson wright and former enforcement officer. first off, congrats on the movie. the highest single watched hbo show in four years. >> the best premiere at night audience. congratulations to them. >> we had barry levinson on with you. you wrote the book. take the credit. it's fine. give yourself a round. >> thanks. >> let's talk about this. i think viewers like myself actually have a little bit of confusion between a direct investor, which i understand, but which is indirect? >> there were tens of thousands of investors

we'll talk to the director of the new movie about the madoff scandal.able, there's no other way to say this. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say: if you love something... set it free. see you around, giulia ♪ >>> welcome back to "power lunch." the gain there 23 point, dow up by 192 points. industrials helping to lead the way. caterpillar ge and boeing are helping the dow surge. take a look at the action for the week. we're just about flat for the week by s&p 500 we're down by 1 1.0 of percent of the week. they're seeing a 5th straight week of gain. aaron gibbs and craig johnson. guys good to see you. aaron what do you make of this move? do you think they can go higher? >> we're looking at impressive growth when i comes to chip makers. not only are they seeing production they're also seeing high prices. we're seeing earnings growth that have doubled from the forecast in the beginning of the year. we're look at 2% earnin

man, oh, man, it is a dark story. >> yeah. >> jimmy: a crazy story about bernie madoff and the madoffy: his wife. >> mm-hmm. >> jimmy: and just what goes down. you don't even understand how many lives he -- >> it just -- it's just such a a modern-day tragedy, you know. >> jimmy: ooh. >> the lives that it affected and the lives that he destroyed. >> jimmy: it just gets more painful as it goes. >> yeah. >> jimmy: om >> um, i did. >> jimmy: you did? >> i did. [ gasps ] yeah, and you know what? she was awesome. >> jimmy: she was? >> i mean, she was, you know, understandably guarded, and -- but way more gracious than she really needed to be. and i was surprised, actually, that she was willing to meet me. and, um, i -- i -- i -- in fact, i hesitated to contact her. um -- >> jimmy: yeah. >> and i shared that with her. i said, "you know, i was sort of surprised that you agreed to meet me." and she said, "well, i'd be surprised if you were playing me and you didn't want to meet me." >> jimmy: really? [ laughter ] >> and, you know, i mean, that's how she is. >> jimmy: yeah. >> you know, she's j

i mean, bernie madoff lost everything.s of the fallout. >> exactly. he had a son who committed suicide. another son that died of a disease that had to be complicated of the stress carrying out the madoff name. >> it was in remission. and i'm sure the stress helped to bring that back. >> and ruth madoff for a while, it's depicted in the scene to the start. she stood by him at the beginning. as a result, paid a huge price with her sons. >> correct. >> she was estranged. >> she was 14 when they met. he was her first and only love. and there's a line in the film when she says, you're my whole life -- her memories were all of him. and she didn't know anything else. and i think, you know, once you love someone that deeply, it doesn't just end, no matter what they do. >> i remember, we did an interview about something else at the time you were shooting this. you shaved that hair back. it's uncanny how much you seem to look like him. >> there's some seens in the movie, i was selling him, i have to do a double-take because did they

this is the subject of a gripping new hbo movie starring robert de niro as bernie madoff and michelle> you can't my bookkeeper. >> i did maintain the records the first year. >> that was in 1960. it was just you and me. you weren't even a real bookkeeper. >> but i'm just saying don't make it seem like i didn't pitch in because i came back, remember -- >> but then we hired a real bookkeeper. we hired a real book keeper. >> right. so why are they making it seem like i -- like i'm involved with all this stuff? >> because they're out for blood, honey, that's why. anybody in the know knows you weren't the mastermind, that's nonsense. do you remember the first time you heard about this scandal. what you thought about the scope of this and what this guy must have been like? >> was it around christmas, just before christmas? >> it was. >> yeah, it was all over the news, it was pretty -- you couldn't avoid being aware of it. >> he wasn't the first guy who bilked people out of a lot of money but there was something about this story that all of our attention. >> billions and billions of dollars.

. >> new reports suggesting the victims of bernie madoff. >> ses spite tough times sears may be the best place to get a deal with them orial day weekend. >> 59 degrees. back after this . >> why are we not hearing top gun. >> danger zone. >> many songs we could have chosen. >> playing with the boys, volleyball scream. how you can forget that. >> back at 5:24 more than eight years after his arrest victim f bernie madoff's ponzi scheme yet to have received the payout they were promised. they admitted they were unable to do so because of high number of claims but they hope to begin distribution sometime this year. he's serving 150 years in prison after pleading guilty to fraud in 2009. >> tarring eight greed to pay 18.5 million settlementment linked to data 47 states, d.c. maryland, virginia were all named in settlement. as part of deal target agreed to develop strong information security programs and isolated from the rest ever the computer network and hire outside experts to make sure security is as tight as possible. none of the settlement money is going to customers. customers had their

. >> she plays ruth madoff. >> the fact that she had been through so much, i felt responsible for telling part of the story truthfully. >> michelle, celebrating her 59th birthday not long ago, arrived with husband david e. kelley. it's her first tv movie in almost 40 years. robert de niro is bernie. and it's not the only milestone event she has coming up. >> the 40th anniversary of "the witches of eastwick" is coming up. >> i'm glad to have something to share once. it's rare. >> i'm still very fond and very close with all of them. >> remake! remake! remake! >> yes. >> are you with me. >> yes. >> still ahead -- >> i have to ask you about the "roseanne" reboot. >> is roseanne barr getting ready for a return to tv? >>> plus, "baywatch" star kelly rohrbach. >>> and then, ll cool j, why he can't stop laughing in our new v interview, and his dark side. jack vo: things get a lot more interesting at night. jack vo: vampires wake up. jack vo: werewolves come out. jack vo: the boogie man gets his boogie on. jack vo: and my hashbrowns turn into my new munchie mashups. jack vo:they come with crispy h

. >> she plays ruth madoff. >> the fact that she had been through so much, i felt responsible for tellingart of the story truthfully. >> michelle, celebrating her 59th birthday not long ago, arrived with husband david e. kelley. it's her first tv movie in almost 40 years. robert de niro is bernie. and it's not the only milestone event she has coming up. >> the 40th anniversary of "the witches of eastwick" is coming up. >> i'm glad to have something to share once. it's rare. >> i'm still very fond and very close with all of them. >> remake! remake! remake! >> yes. >> are you with me. >> yes. >> still ahead -- >> i have to ask you about the "roseanne" reboot. >> is roseanne barr getting ready for a return to tv? >>> plus, "baywatch" star kelly rohrbach. >>> and then, ll cool j, why he can't stop laughing in our new v interview, and his dark side. [ birds chirping ] [ inhales, exhales ] [ announcer ] cigarettes are not just dangerous when they're smoked. [ rat squeaking ] they're dangerous long after. cigarette butts are toxic. they release chemicals that poison our water... and harm wildlif

not the wizard of lies which was the madoff hbo premiere that i tried to watch saturday. niro. >> was it disappointing, the trailer is so enticing? >> my wife has seen both the cnbc offering and the hbo offering. she liked the cnbc better. i think we could do a better job, maybe. because it started out on our special where, you know, the market's down and people are coming in trying to get redemptions. he's like, why, you don't need redemptions, i always come through, something like that. but that's how it started. he was always able to keep it going as long as people weren't taking the money out to do the financial crisis. that's when a ponzi scheme breaks down, right? like, what, you want your money back? look at the statement. i couldn't get past de niro. it's like, you're still de niro, you're not madoff. >> splun you that know too well. >> like the parent in "meet the fockers" it's not working for them. michelle pfeiffer was good, though. >> joe, we look forward to "squawk box" -- >> really? >> yes, joe, i always look forward to it. that is a sincere comment. we also

and more edgars balleisen is here to share his new book "fraud" an american history from barnam to madoff. the associate professor of history and senior fellow at the kenan institute for ethics at duke university documents the relationship between deregulation and the rise of fraud. we are going to introduce tonight enzi state history chair department chair david who will further introduce our guests and i was turned over to him at this moment. >> thank you very much. welcome everybody. as was said i am head of the history department and first of all i want to thank ed for asking me to moderate this panel. i'm really looking forward to it. ed has our advantage it does to you. he is a member of the faculty. he is also duke's vice provost for disciplinary study where he is reading a major project funded by the national endowment for the manatees and exploring new careers humanities and ph.d.s and i have great interest in that because i want to explore career opportunities. kevin anderson who is currently the senior deputy attorney general of the state of north carolina. he also heads the co

. >> michelle said she was nervous to play the part of ruth madoff. >> the fact that she had been through i felt responsible for telling her part of the story truthfully. >> michelle, celebrating her 59th birthday not long ago, arrived with husband david e. kelley. we rarely see her on the red carpet. we have to say the classic beauty looks like she hardly aged when we first met her in 1992. >> when i'm not working i'm studying. i'm trying to do what i do well. >> the wizard of first movie in years. robert de niro is bernie. and it's not the only milestone event she has coming up. >> the 40th anniversary of "the witches of eastwick" is coming up. >> i'm glad to have something to share once. it's rare. >> i'm still very fond and very close with all of them. >> remake! remake! remake! >> yes. >> are you with me. >> yes. >> still ahead -- >> i have to ask you about the "roseanne" reboot. >> is roseanne barr getting ready for a return to tv? >>> plus, "baywatch" star kelly rohrbach. what she's saying about a sequel. and the many emotions of ll cool j. revealing his dark side why he can't stop

even the bernie madoff scandal. in each case there were people issuing warnings.as. >> a cassandra in greek mythology was a woman cursed by the gods. she could see future disasters, but no one would believe her. >> reporter: clarke should know. he's been called a cassandra as a white house official in the run-up to 9/11. >> no one will believe me. no one will pay any attention to me. there's going a terrible disaster if you you don't do something. and they're saying, look, i lose sleep about this. >> were you losing sleep and were you feeling incredibly frustrated? >> certainly. >> reporter: clarke believes there's a whole series of current threats that are being ignored. >> gene editing. pandemic disease. sea level rise. asteroid impact. these are all phrases that we know. we've heard about. often in science fiction. the problem is they may become fact. >> all told not a cheery book. >> no, i think it's a very cheery book because what we're saying is if we're right about using these human cassandras to predict the future we can prevent most of those disasters. >>

i began by asking him how you approach the story of bernie madoff, who he plays in the upcoming hbo film he produced with rosenthal. mr. de niro: i always felt very strongly that the kids didn't know anything. i don't think his wife did either, really. he protected them. i don't see anything that says otherwise. but it was an interesting character. it's been so long ago, i did it almost a year and a half ago. megan: a master manipulator. mr. de niro: yeah, it's the classic con where everybody comes to him and they want to be part of this club. that whole thing evolved through his personality, his way of manipulating people that he became, you know, it's classic. it's a classic sort of con situation. the people fell for. megan: it wasn't the easiest movie to get made. you optioned the book six years ago. tell me about that process. i heard you say had you done it right away, the film would've been diffent in terms of focusing more on the scheme and the con, and as it evolved it became more about the family and a family story of family breaking apart. ms. rosenthal: when the book came out,

and robert de niro is playing bernie madoff. >> yeah. >> seth: and you're playing one of his associates work with de niro when you can do a de niro? >> normally mayb, a guy named frank dipascali. first of all, my de niro is a very bad generic de niro. it's like, i do de niro from "goodfellas." you know, jimmy the gent, you know, i can't have it. over at the house commiserating all day and i can't do it. i can't. [ light laughter ] so, yeah, yeah, it's all right. so -- [ laughter and applause ] cheap applause. but thank you. so, but yes, i was highly -- i play a guy named frank dipascali who was a guy from long island who did talk like this, you know. he was pretty much, you know, he was a gumba guy. and i found myself just to switch things up on some takes, this like well, this one, i'll just, i'll do a de niro impression right at bob de niro. let's just see how that goes. and i did on some takes. i'm like, you know bob, i can't do it. [ light laughter ] it's not gonna work. i can't do it. >> seth: does he notice? >> he did not. no, the impression. [ laughter ] no, not because bob's not

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for those working families those that have led to easy those to even having close to make bernie madoff blush. i will focus my remarks into areas. first of the economic team with the middle-class tax cut. if this was billed for a middle-class tax cut this is like middle-class housing. and just open-ended promises. how which treats the very fortunate to to eliminate the estate tax with a mile wide loophole than it is a prescription for more inequality and right in this room that mr. mitchell and and i agreed though long of a note tax cuts for the rich but after what we have seen in the tax plan in the budget we have to throw that in the waste bin along with the trump plan not to cut medicare the health plan to make it harder for us to keep the trust fund solvent solvent, $1 trillion of medicaid cuts $70 billion of cuts to social security disability. so the promise not to cut medicare or medicaid it also has not rung true. so with the proven idea of tax cuts there is anybody that agrees with that. and then to zero the amount in into the stratosphere but instead the revenues have cratered.

i began by asking him how you approach the story of bernie madoff, who he plays in the upcomingboilm he produced with rosenthal. mr. de niro: i always felt very strongly that the kids didn't know anything. i don't think his wife did either, really. he protected them. i don't see anything that says otherwise. but it was an interesting character. it's been so long ago, i did it almost a year and a half ago. megan: a master manipulator. mr. de niro: yeah, it's the classic con where evyby comes to him and they want to be part of this club. that whole thing evolved through his personality, his way of manipulating people that he became, you know, it's classic. it's a classic sort of con situation. the people fell for. megan: it wasn't the easiest movie to get made. you optioned the book six years ago. tell me about that process. i heard you say had you done it right away, the film would've been different in terms of focusing more on the scheme and thcon, and as it evolved it became more about the family and a family story of family breaking apart. ms. rosenthal: when the book came out, dan

you know, do you get the feeling that if bernie madoff weren't in prison he would be in charge of the s.e.c. right now? you know, look at all that and add to it, a congress that devotes its time and its energy to figuring out to how cut taxes yet again for giant corporations, because, apparently, paying zero is not enough for some of these giant corporations. you know, even healthcare bills get perverted into corporate welfare system. taking healthcare away from 24 million people in this country, to fund tax breaks for a handful of millionaires, billionaires and giant corporations. but here's good news on this one and there is good news. america has tackled this problem before. more than a century ago, congress passed antitrust laws to break up the concentration of corporate wealth and power. teddy roosevelt earned the title of trust buster as he fought back against powerful monopolies that wielded huge influence over our government. here's the good news the reformers won. donald trump used to talk about the dangers of know nopely. that talk has pretty much disappeared now that he's t

interview" michelle pfeifer and robert deniro play bernie and michelle madoff. it's been filmed. it will be fun to watch. i think, i hope. they were great. >> i predict this. >> this one not so much. have a great weekend, guys. thank you the blue box trick. fast money begins right now. >>> "fast money" starts right now live from the nasdaq markets overlooking new york city's time's square, i'm mellissa lee. tonight on "fast" apple's amazing run rages on. the stock having its best start of the year since 2012 and goldman sachs says it can go a lot higher. we will explain. plus the retail rack rages on after a dismal week. we will hear from a former ceo j.c. penny whether or not this is the death of the department store, later, twitter says they have a way to make it easier for the white house. >> that sent shares soaring as far as a twitter war. we got those details. weigh start off with a news alert, new details on what the smart money is buying. >> hey, melissa, it seems like the smart money may have piled into snap during the quarter. this is based on the latest 13 s-filings. t

also robert de niro and michelle pfeiffer stars as bernie and ruth madoff in "the wizard of lies." >>d! >> you don't have to understand. >> what did you do with the money? >> i thought you were going to protect me forever. >> reporter: and after a 25-year hiatus, "twin peaks" returns on sunday for a new limited run on showtime. and here's what's new for the week ahead. sunday is the final performance of ringling brother's greatest show on earth. monday is the day the congressional budget office releases the cost estimate for the republican health care plan. tuesday is the day the 55th season of shakespeare in the park opens in new york's central park. wednesday is the day president trump is expected to meet with pope francis in vatican city. thursday is the 40th anniversary of the release of "star wars." friday marks the start of the g-7 summit in sicily. saturday is the 80th anniversary of the opening of the golden gate bridge. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. before we leave you, we want to note the death of roger ailes. he was 77. the founder and former chair

ours is much better, cnbc's madoff, richard dreyfuss.at's what i said earlier, i'm watching de niro i'm like -- >> and blake tanner. >> michelle pfeiffer was great. but de niro just looked like, i don't know, i didn't believe he was madoff. i thought he was like ben stiller's father-in-law or something. you know from meet the fokkers. it was weird. >> the italian version of madoff. >> exactly! exactly! yeah, which, i don't know. de niro. oh, this i read this this morning, felt really happy, mark. the fed is unlikely to return to its precrisis role ever on the sidelines of financial markets. it's never going back to not being a big part of our life. thank god. because i don't want to ever -- i don't ever want to not have take my training wheels off. i always want the fed to be making decisions about how our economy goes. because central planning always works so well. >> yeah, right, uh-huh. what have you been drinking this morning? >> i know! but they can't get out. there's a term for it where any government program instituted during a cr

hired a distribute money to the victims of brain made us investment -- bernie madoff's investment scamsaid the initial payouts will take place sometime this year. that is your business flash update. the presence opposed budget -- presidents proposed budget plan assumes 3% growth. what does this mean? ,oining us now is diane jaffee senior portfolio manager at tcw. is tgdix.fund >> that is correct. vonnie: how have you been managing the noise of the political climate? >> i don't think you can ignore it. it is creating volatility short term. that is good for active managers. we can process the information quickly and act accordingly. vonnie: what have you been doing since january? >> since january, we focus on the long-term. we are overweight industrials and financials, and slightly overweight consumer discretionary, and underweight health care. those are all big priorities of the trump agenda. vonnie: it is hard to know which parts of the trump agenda will out and where congress will go their own way. what is tcw thinking? >> we believe there is a strong undercurrent in the economy. we e

. >>> big scam, big ratings, hpo bernie madoff fundamentilm.etails next. >>> welcome back to "power lunch." >>> that's right, h po scoring a big wind, the bernie madoff movie, "the wizard of lies." include streaming viewing on hbo go and hbo now, the viewing incurred $2.8 million over the week. a 68% credit tick score on rotten tomatoes. i haven't seen any yet but i'm curious. back over to you. >> juli thank you very much. jackie at the commodity desk. >> prices seeing a bump today, prices 50, 57. two things to think about today, part of the president's budge plan is to sell half of the company's -- $16.5 billion. that pressure prices because it also would add over 300 million barrels of oil to an oversupplied mark. the second half is carril-- theg to give the mark a deeper cut. so we'll see what happened thursday. back to you. >> all right thank you jackie. now sue herrera. >>> here's what's happening, during this house intelligence hearing this morning former cia director john brennan says he was aware of contacts and interactions between rus

all the madoff movies, maybe we need a chicago or social security movie in the works.obert de niro, are you available? back to you. >> a social security movie. i can see the teasers now. thank you, rick. >>> coming up, ranking member of the house financial service committee, representative maxine waters is next on that letter to deutsche bank and trump's finances. deutsche shares are falling. "squawk alley" is back after this. (shouting) more power... chords. with customized loyalty programs and data-driven insights, synchrony financial can help bring more... power to your business. a used car, you see the dow up about 30. we are back to tech stocks doing slightly better than the broad market nasdaq up one fifth of 1%. back in a second. if you have medicare parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what? you could apply for a medicare supplement insurance plan whenever you want. no enrollment window. no waiting to apply. that means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. medicare d

what if you could stop the dams from breaking after katrina or fukushima reactor or stop bernie madoffop catastrophes." what is a cassandra. >> a cassandra was a woman cursed by the gods and the curse was she could see the future which doesn't sound like a curse but the second part of it was, she could see future disasters but no one would believe her, so for us a cassandra is someone who is an expert, usually the person who sees a disaster well before the other experts and they're usually ignored. >> reporter: clarke would know. he is something of a cassandra himself having warned against the 9/11 attacks before they happened. in the run-up to 9/11 were you losing sleep and were you feeling incredibly frustrated? >> certainly and i wasn't the only one. but we were unable to persuade the highest levels of the bush administration to make it their number one agenda item. even though they had been told to do so by the outgoing clinton administration. >> what are the other major disasters you looked at in the book that could have been averted if a cassandra had been heeded. >> the bernie m

, and to some extent, ruth madoff, do you take those names into account?e in on it and part of the whole conspiracy. and they were -- this is anything but true. so i felt like this responsibility to defend her. and i felt, one of the things i'm most happy about with the finished product and was my biggest concern was that, you know, we told the truth about these people and that they came out, that their truth and their story was told and revealed. >> in fact, michelle, you got to meet with ruth, or bob, you didn't meet with bernie, did that change how you played him? >> no, i didn't meet him because the feeling was, it would have been difficult to meet him. it maybe would have been somehow not variety to me, i don't know. and i met so many other people who knew him and worked with him, his lawyers, friends, blah, blah, so i felt that was okay. of course, it would have been great to meet him, but i didn't do that. >> was there anything after researching him and playing him that you would have asked him, had you been able to meet him? or many things you woul

the math behind this plan would make bernie madoff blush. so without realistic tax numbers to analyze, i'm going to focus my remarks in two areas. first, the administration's economic team says that the president's focus is on a middle class tax cut. if this trump plan was built for a middle class tax cut, then trump tower was built for middle class housing. on one side of the ledger there isn't a lot of detail on how the trump tax plan would help working families or the middle class. just vague open-ended promises. contrast that with how it treats the very fortunate, very few, eliminating the estate tax and opening a new mile-wide loophole for the wealthy to exploit pass-through status is a prescription for more inequality in america. right here in this room, mr. mnuchin and i agreed on the now legendary mnuchin rule of no absolute tax cut for the rich. but after what we've seen in the tax plan, and the budget, i guess we have to throw that in the wastebin, alongside the trump plan not to cut medicare, their health plan makes it harder for

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and i would just as soon trust my money to bernie madoff than trust classified information to the russiansolutely no sense what is going on. we need to get to the bottom of it. >> so richard, given your experience in the bush white house, i would like you to give me your view of what i'm about to play, which is sean spicer weighing in on the very issue you raised. listen to this. >> there is frankly no need forbe a special prosecutor. we have discussed this before. you have two senate committees that are looking into this. the fbi is conducting their own review. and i think if you even look at what acting director mccabe said last week, he made it very clear that they have the resources that they need and that the work continues. >> given all the conflicts, it is even appropriate for sean spicer to be taking that position? >> no. and it's hard to compare to the bush white house because i don't think he would have lasted two days in the bush white house. he has repeatedly been misrepresenting facts to the public. just last week he said that russia had nothing to do with the comey firing. hi

when you say the names, bernie madoff and ruth, there's a visceral reaction. would ask me about it and there definitely, the court of public opinion was that ruth and the boys were in on it, and they were part of a whole conspiracy and they were, and which is anything but true. and so i felt like this responsibility to defend her. and i felt one of the things i'm most happy about with the finished product was my biggest concern, was that we told the truth about these people and that they came out, that their truth and their story was told and revealed. >> and, in fact, on the show you got to meet with ruth, and bob, you didn't meet with bernie. did that change how you played i didn't meet him, because the feeling was it would have been difficult to meet him, maybe it would have been somehow not -- i don't know. i just. and i met so many other people who knew him, worked with him, his lawyers, friends, blah blah. so i felt that was okay. of course, it would have been great to meet him, but i didn't do that. >> was there anything after researching him and playin

the math behind this plan would make bernie madoff blush. so without realistic tax numbers to analyze, i'm going to focus my remarks in two areas. first, the administration's economic team says that the president's focus is on a middle class tax cut. if this trump plan was built for a middle class tax cut, then trump tower was built for middle class housing. on one side of the ledger, there isn't a lot of detail on how the trump tax plan would help working families or middle class. just vague, open-ended promises. contrast that with how it treats the very fortunate, very few; eliminating the estate tax and opening a new mile-wide loophole for the well hawaii to exploit -- wealthy to exploit pass-through status is a prescription for more inequality in america. right here in this room mr. mnuchin and i agreed on the now-legendary mnuchin rule of no absolute tax cut for the rich. but after what we've seen in the tax plan and the budget, i guess we've got to throw that in the waste bin alongside the trump plan not to cut medicare. their health p