i don't know if he was trained in a madrassa, one of those muslim schools, but nevertheless, that is inclination. his father was a kenyan socialist, and he talks about the roots of his father. i don't know what his mother was doing. she just sort of flitted around. this may give him a warped perspective what needs to be done to make america the greatest nation on earth. >> if you take that guy's advice, maybe you shouldn't even have a vote. last month, by the way, robertson advised gop candidates to lay off this the birther crap. i guess he forgot his on advice. i think the guy's in his dotage. that's "hardball" for now. next, "your business" with j.j. ramberg. my contacts are so annoying. they're itchy, dry and uncomfortable. i can't wait to take 'em out, throw 'em away and never see them again. [ male announcer ] know the feeling? get the contacts you've got to see to believe. acuvue® oasys brand contact lenses with hydraclear® plus technology, keeping your eyes exceptionally comfortable all day long. it feels like it disappeared on my eye. [ male announcer ] discover why it's the

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i don't know if he was trained in a madrassa, one of those muslim schools, but nevertheless, that isnation. his father was a kenyan socialist, and he talks about the roots of his father. i don't know what his mother was doing. she just sort of flitted around. this may give him a warped perspective what needs to be done to make america the greatest nation on earth. >> if you take that guy's advice, maybe you shouldn't even have a vote. last month, by the way, robertson advised gop candidates to lay off this the birther crap. i guess he forgot his on advice. i think the guy's in his dotage. >>> up next, a conversation about american politics with tom brokaw. i'm going to ask tom why so many political leaders, president obama included, are having trouble connecting out there. and that's a real problem for all politicians today, connecting with real americans. you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. and having enough income when you retire. that's why i'm here. to help come up with a plan and get you on the right path. i have more than a thousand fidelity experts working with me so th

you have madrassas movement, you have trouble on the border.a nation state that's a candidate for failure. i say it's a haven for bad behavior. a haven for training. people who seek to do us harm and expand the drone program is something that would serve our national interest. i think it must be done and must be consistent with recognizing the reality on the ground. >> pakistan has been the epicenter of dealing with terrorism. they are, as governor huntsman said. there are al qaeda training grounds there and haqqani network trained there as well. they are the most violent, unstable nations that there is. you have to recognize, 15 of the sites, nuclear sites available -- or potentially penetratable by jihadists. six attempts have already been made on nuclear sites. this is more than an existential threat. we have to take this seriously a nation that lies, that does everything imaginable wrong. at the same time they share intelligence data with us regarding al qaeda. we need to demand more. the money we are sending right now is primarily intellig

focus on long-term things like trying to change education so it is not know much rasas -- it is not madrassas. we have to have a careful set of penalties as well as inducements to pakistan in order to reach the right goals over the long term, so i think we have to except pakistan is not going to be a big help in the near term and go back to try to build a long-term relationship that will make pakistan a more responsible member of the international community. >> when you were at the forum this summer you made headlines by suggesting we need to end creditors strikes into pakistan, that there was no way we could continue this kind of relationship. at the same time, we cannot rely on pakistanis to deal with their side of the border. when you ask about it, they said it was the only way they have to get inside of the border. tell me what you think it has evolved into you. >> this arrangement we have with pakistan in which it does not acknowledge it had given permission to the united states to conduct attacks within its own country is part of this the ofrm of relationship, -- av this deformed relati

like trying to change pakistani education, so it is not the the process who are reform renewed -- madrassas who are performing those who cannot get education elsewhere. we need a careful set of penalties as well as inducements to pakistan, in order to reach a long-term goals. i think we have to accept that pakistan will not be a great deal of help to us in the near term with our goals in afghanistan, and tried to build a long-term relationship that will eventually make pakistan and more responsible member of the international community. >> when you get that aspin security forum this summer, you made headlines by suggesting we needed to end our predator strikes into pakistan, that there was no way that we could continue that and continue this relationship. at the same time, you point out we cannot rely on the pakistanis to do their side of the border. you ask people in the obama administration about predators. they say it is the only way to get inside the border. tell us whether or not your thinking on this has a vault? >> the question i was grappling with what i made the proposal remains --

like trying to change pakistani education, so it is not the the process who are reform renewed -- madrassas who are performing those who cannot get education elsewhere. we need a careful set of penalties as well as inducements to pakistan, in order to reach a long-term goals. i think we have to accept that pakistan will not be a great deal of help to us in the near term with our goals in afghanistan, and tried to build a long-term relationship that will eventually make pakistan and more responsible member of the international community. >> when you get that aspin -- out at the aspen security forum this summer, you made headlines by suggesting we needed to end our predator strikes into pakistan, that there was no way that we could continue that and continue this relationship. at the same time, you point out we cannot rely on the pakistanis to do their side of the border. you ask people in the obama administration about predators. they say it is the only way to get inside the border. tell us whether or not your thinking on this has a vault? y? has evolved an >> the question i was grappling wi