i went four madrassas, and, at this four madrassas, each madrassa, there was between 50 to 60. and also, when i went to their training camp, there was more than 100 men was training-- karate-- and also they were running on the hill with one body. and it was rough training, i saw that. and they are... out of that, i saw those people with uniform. and around maybe 400 people i saw off... off camera and... which i wasn't able to film. >> narrator: khan said he is getting ready, preparing his men for a big offensive soon, in may, against coalition and afghan forces. if najibullah would stay two months longer, khan said, he would personally take him to the front and reveal more about his operations. >> "i promise you," he said. "i promise you, in the frontline, when i kill some people, and beside them, i will stand there, i say, "this is me, this is what i'm doing, who i am." he said, "i promise you, i will expose everything." >> narrator: while they waited, khan attended to business. he was meeting with the local taliban and had been asked to rule on a land dispute between villager

(laughter) not pictured in that photo, their madrassa classmate bill ayers in common. >> jon: first of all that picture, two quick things. those kids don't look anything like (obama and osama bin laden number one. and jin baden is like five years older than obama, those were the same age. >> is he, five years older. >> jon: yes, we actually have obama's birth certificate so we know. >> correction, jon, i have it. and this american long form certificate of live birth that proves nothing. all this document tells sus that on august 4th, 1961 obama emerged from a woman's vagina. it says nothing about his age at the time. (laughter)

(laughter) not pictured in that photo, their madrassa classmate bill ayers in common. >> jon: first of all that picture, two quick things. those kids don't look anything like (obama and osama bin laden number one. and jin baden is like five years older than obama, those were the same age. >> is he, five years older. >> jon: yes, we actually have obama's birth certificate so we know. >> correction, jon, i have it. and this american long form certificate of live birth that proves nothing. all this document tells sus that on august 4th, 1961 obama emerged from a woman's vagina. it says nothing about his age at the time. (laughter) >> jon: you're saying brahm bam and osama bin laden could be the same age because obama was smuggled as a five-year-old into this country in a woman's vagina? >> i have heard people saying that, jon. i-- (laughter) >> i just heard you say it, actually. >> jon: you know, how would that you be, so when obama was five years old he was the size of a newborn baby. >> jon, wake up, how else could he fit into a woman's vagina. >> jon: we don't have time for this, thank

one of the issues that has not been mentioned are the addresses -- madrassas. have beenow how many educated or exposed but that strikes me as an impediment to fundamental change in the u.s. relationship with pakistan. >> it is true. it is an interesting thing. you bring up a good point. there is a zeitgeist in many of these discussions. we spend time talking about madrassas and the islamist education and the pernicious this of the money that was coming in and it has gone by the wayside. what our panel has to say. >> want pakistan came into independence, it had 100 -- when pakistan came in to independence, it had 100 madrassas and now has 1000. most of these are not problematic. 10% to 15% our problem. the most famous ones would be in karachi and beyond that, the problem is as several scholars have pointed out, it is the education that is non-religious. we tend to be more concerned with madrassas. it is the non-school curriculum. what does that teach about pakistan or the indians? had that been allowed to percolate to the school books, what is the impact when th

former soviet union there was extensive amount of money that was brought in through which a lot of madrassas were created to teach various different ideologies but at the same time i think because of one personality i don't think that funding will stop i think funding will continue because they are personalities who believe that what bin laden was doing or what al qaeda was doing was the right thing so they would continue to provide assistance and the funding so that my kind of zine director of the center for conflict and can is that and a cousin of the afghan president but might we'll be back shortly we'll continue this including after a short break so stay with us. a cluster mission. and inside the container you have many many small mom and you can have anywhere from dozens up to hundreds of them there's a huge market right now for cattle area clearance because there are a lot of countries in the world that are contaminated by unexploded ordinance. and it's you got these companies and n.g.o.s that have basically sprung up that have an expertise to get rid of these weapons what they do is t

it seems to me one of the issues that has not been mentioned are the much crosses -- madrassas.t strikes me as a serious impediment to fundamental change in the u.s. relationship with pakistan. >> it is a very interesting thing and you bring up a very good point. there is a zeitgeist in many of these policy discussions. we talk about the pernicious influence of the saudis, and it has kind of gone by the wayside, which is a shame. let me see what our panel has to say. >> when pakistan gained independence in 1947, it had 137 madrassas, and at last count it had 130,000. most of these are not problematic in any way. about 15% of them are a problem. the problem is the government education that is nonreligious. it is the normal government school curriculum. what does that teach about pakistani history? what does it teach them about non muslims, particularly indians? has it been allowed to percolate all the way down to the school books, and what will the impact be when these young people who had their minds shaved by a completely different curriculum coming-of-age. it is anybody's gues

they are trained in madrassas, these religious schools which are located mainly in western pakistan. they are financed by countries in the gulf region. they teach a form of islam that is extremely conservative. it is comparable to the form of islam that is practiced in saudi arabia and saudi arabia's islam is quite similar to the taliban's version of islam. so, we have to wreck guys that this is an except that form of a world religion in a particular part of the world, and again i would say that if we try to define that as the problem, then we define ourselves as the enemy of that segment of islam. we are not at war with muslims and we have to be very clear about that as well. the muslims of the world, over a billion people, for the most part have very little in common with these extreme fundamentalists. they are not -- that is not the form of religion that they practice but if we push people and we defined them as our enemy because they are muslims, or in this case because they believe in the holy koran, then we will create more and more enemies in that community and we will broaden

as we talked about, they do have this uncanny ability to continue to regenerate forces in the madrassas, in the places across the border in pakistan. the figure i have heard before is 10%. i do not know how true that is. but as we take out x amount over the course of a year, they will continue to grow about 10%. we have seen a great difference because we've taken out a lot of the leadership. when we first got here into regional command east, much of that leadership was experienced, battle hardened. we have taken them off the battlefield. now a lot of the leadership that we find, much, much younger, less experienced. the amount of supplies that they had, i have talked about the caches, over double what we took off the battlefield a year ago. that has to make an impact on what they are able to do. we are disrupting what the haqqani can do. why they have this ability to grow forces year and year -- remember, across that border, this is the side drawn -- zadran tribe there, and this is family ties, and there is no border for them. some live in afghanistan and some in pakistan. it is a famil