. -- ultra maga-ism. yet, when you look at the record in the state of wisconsin, over and over, wisconsin voters reject maga extremism, they reject the attacks on fundamental freedoms and economic security and dignity. they reject the very kind of ultra maga republican candidates that will be swarming the debate stage here in milwaukee tonight. so let's just look at the record for a moment in the state of wisconsin, democrats and democratic supported candidates have won 15 of the last 18 statewide elections. just ask senator tammy baldwin, ask governor and lieutenant -- governor evers and lieutenant governor sarah rodriguez, ask attorney general josh call, ask president biden and vice president harris who has been winning elections in the state of wisconsin. this spring, in our state supreme court race, voters had as vivid a choice as you could imagine between a trump endorsed former supreme court justice who personally advised the plot to overturn the 2020 election and a judge that they hadn't met before

, maga, my ass got arrested. note to jesse and friends at fox, all of atlanta is not the inner city, nor is any place where black people live. black people literally live in the suburbs, they do, and the idea that black voters will switch to trump because of his arrest and mugshot is so amazingly racist, i don't even know where to begin. but this wild narrative is happening at the same time maga governors are banning black history with the help of the modern day version of the daughters of the confederacy, moms for liberty. while maga media world is literally co opting the very injustices against black people in the jim crow south that they're making illegal to teach and grafting that history onto themselves and donald trump. making themselves and trump the real victims of discrimination and the criminal justice system. another example, in a lame attempt to delay trump's federal case to 2026, his attorney cited powell versus alabama. that's the landmark 1932 supreme court decision that overturned the convictions

maga, maga, mike is not maga. it's important to understanding the issue of abortion. at the approval of the overturning of roe v wade two thirds of republicans approved of it. when you look at those that are for and against the trumpet, you can see the divide in the party. maga republicans approved at 80%. non-tran02 where at 51%. this is how you see it on the map. these are your suburban republicans. these are voters that have been going back and forth on trump for some time. here is the 2020 vote. seven counties that joe biden won. when you look at the 2023 ballot measure and ocean rights, each one of those urban areas that biden won, there was more spread. more suburban republican leaning counties ended up voting on the abortion-rights side. around cleveland, columbus, toledo. guess what? we saw the same pattern in kansas. joe biden only won five counties there. when it was about abortion- rights you saw suburban counties around wichita and kansas city. those counties, which nearly went republican in a presidential, and up voting on the abortion-rights side. michig

guest 2: i will pick on the maga republicans. i am an independent.epublican party attempting to do something about how the districts are laid out. normally, in the past, when a party continue to lose elections, they would then try to expand their base. if you want to look at the right, you can look at ronald reagan as he expanded his base hugely to include people of color and women. in this case, from a narrative standpoint, it seemed to be "vital signs of democracy -- seemed the maga republicans had given up on trying to attract voters. so then you need to attract votes to win as a minority in the electoral college. what is going on in alabama in addition to gerrymandering is the fact the supreme court, it is conservative by any means, as already said there needs to be two districts. and the state of alabama said, we are not going to do that. this is something indicating where we might be going. when you have states saying, they are looking at the federal opinion and saying, we are not going to listen to that. host: mike from stockton, california on

know kind of the pure maga crowd. i think there's plenty to criticize the pure maga crowd, but there's something at least genuine about the ones who are genuine about it. and i wanted to and i wanted to focus on the people who all of the people who knew better. i like how they got wrapped up into it and. and one of the best ways i had to explain is just by what the mindset was like inside republican politics. from the time that i started and even a little bit before that, i think all the way up through 2016 and one way influence that i read, michael lewis wrote this great book that i think at least read book, but it's amazing. it's about the 96 campaign called losers and. lewis writes about all the losing republican candidates in that primary, but that he he has a passage in the article about how you just as an outsider, how the thing struck him was just how cynical of the strategist were on both sides. and he's like back then in the nineties and he's like the clinton and dole, you know, elizabeth dole, you know, the

. >> maga world still showing no contrition for the alleged crimes of their master. in fact, they're doubling and triple down on the election lies that made trump an accused felon. >>> also tonight, the rise and steep humiliating fall of trump co-defendant rudy giuliani. the title america's mayor was always mostly a myth. and now, reports say he's begging trump for help to pay his mounting legal bills. >>> plus, president biden is touring the devastation left by the deadly maui wildfires. as the search continues for hundreds of people who are still missing. >>> but we begin tonight with a manhunt for a man named christopher woral. he's a florida proud boy convicted of seven felony counts for his actions on january 6th, including physically attacking police officers and pepper spraying them. he was set to be sentenced last friday and was likely going to face several years in prison. but he nench showed up. and now no one knows where he is. and the thing that is like actually mind-blowing is that despite committing violent acts against police, he could go missing at al

carrying a maga flag.salute to donald trump their fascist leader. not a debate, it's i love trump more, no, i love trump more. and then when chris christie criticized, they're going to chant to his face, trump, trump, trump. this is doing to be unlike any debate we have ever seen. >> it's wild because what's happening is you're going to have a trump cheerleading fest on fox. and then trump cheerleading a cheerleading fest on what twitter space is or whatever they call the thing now, with the guy who use got fired from fox. they're all going to be cheering for trump. why even have a debate if the whole point of all of it is they're going to cheer for trump and trump is cheering for trump too? >> that is the whole point. they're all apparently running for second place. i'm not sure what they're trying to do. they're stuck in this weird spot where obviously they purportedly want to win the republican nomination themselves yet all of the are too scared to go after him, because they don't want to ink inkerrker

when these maga 2024 republicans take the debate stage here in milwaukee. but a circus. >> house speaker kevin mccarthy is warning an impeachment inquiry could begin next month when congress returns. cedric richmond says the president will govern and no time to focus on what mccarthy may or may not do. the biden campaign does appear to be playing in to the reported warning from the rnc chair woman to trump and his team that his absence tonight could give cover to president biden to opt out of a face-off with the eventual republican nominee. declining today as you played in this segment to commit to any general election debates at least for now, neil. >> neil: thanks. take a quick break here. nvidia numbers are out. this is artificial intelligence. making money hand over fist. $3 billion revenue better than most people had thought. the stock is climbing 9% in after-hours trading. it has effectively doubled this year. it has quadrupled the past year, this is one of the more meaningful artificial intelligence plays. nothing artificial about the numbers or how

maga is here in mounds, the aslanites do not abandon their own, which means that maga will make his waygomed won’t work for you, there is only one road to the south and it is tightly blocked by other options. i do not see. in the neighborhood in lugovoe there is an airfield registered. i have already contacted the head of dosaaf with the merchant, do you know him? heard the slippery man says he must still it hurts with corruption, but he reacted to my call, so if there is a stir on the airfield report about in the collection, well, that's good. calm down, please, and tell me everything this morning. found the cat's car all covered in blood. and what about the cat? he hides. can you do it in order? well, i'll tell you in order, so yesterday. shot at citizen ivan volkov by two traffic police officers at the tkachev post normally, yes, nothing normal, they have some kind of recording of the murder on the tablet. well, the cat saw the record, that's why the guys are into it and shot, he called and told everything. he said that he would get in touch himself, if you take these freaks. on what

trump and those hard maga voters, the 37% of not seperable. and you don't do it by hard maga. you make the case that donald trump cannot win the election. a.p. poll, 64% of americans say they will not vote for trump next november. 53% of those are absolutely decided whatever, only 11% are probably. so, you got to make the case, you are the candidate who can really go out and defeat joe biden because we can't afford four more years of biden and probably president harris. >> you mentioned a moment ago a lot of people will vote for donald trump no matter what. the criminal cases against him might make a difference, "new york times" siena poll. when asked whether trump has committed serious crimes, 17% of republicans yes, 71% said no. but in terms of other lanes, tim scott was at the iowa state fair yesterday doing a fair-side chat with the governor, he believes if he keeps working on the grassroots voters in the state of iowa he might be able to enhance his fortunes and listen to this exchange that vivek ramaswamy had with a pansexual activist at

because in every way that you can think of, maga is a gang. like the crips or the bloods or the five families are, just with a different purpose. they keep everyone in line with threats. and the folks in the group are afraid to cross the leader. hey, elected republicans. the leader takes stuff that doesn't belong to him. they defy law enforcement. they act in concert, sometimes to commit crimes. and yes, some of them are willing to choose violence. if i'm wrong, you got to tell me how. i'm joined by ben collins, nbc news senior reporter, neal katyal, professor of law, former acting solicitor general and msnbc legal analyst, and peter strzok, former fbi counterintelligence agent. peter, i want to start with you because you were in law enforcement. i thought about this the other day when i was reading the indictment, which is a fascinating read that gives a lot of detail about the lengths and pressure that was placed on public officials in georgia and out to try to force them to go along with this scheme to steal the election. it involved intimi

you are a maga republican.example of supposed to be a good reporter he campaigned for kari lake. as nutty as a fruitcake. she thinks she won the election. she thinks that donald trump won the election. i don't think that you can nuance this. i don't think you can come in and say, i know which ford to pick up a dinner. i'm not gonna embarrass you in my tweets. but, i'm still supporting trump if he wins. you are a maga republican. that is where the party wants to be. >> what do you do with a sergeants and, who by the way that he has met the qualifications for being in a debate, or chris christie? is there -- should reasonable people want chris christie or asa hutchinson to succeed, or to go farther, in this debate? chris christie, by the way, very much was until he wasn't. at the moment he is not. >> it is interesting. both of them when they ran for governor where former clients of mine in my firms. i have a lot of respect for them. i think they are showing a roadmap of how to go out and just tell the truth about

to the democrats win here because the democrats a great strategy for countering maga? i don't know. maybe. i think really, more of the reason why democrats one is the republican candidates were so creepy and basically made themselves totally unpalatable to a certain group of voter that would be happy to vote for a republic on the house little bit of sheen of normalcy on them. the open question for the democrats have a good strategy for combating something that would be may be a little more competent. >> thank you very much. i like your phrase a sheen of normalcy. it's really interesting phrase you use there but let's turn our attention and go back in history a little bite earlier i asked o think about your favorite barry goldwater moment. give us a little bit of history about the fact free paranoid extremism of the jon burke society? maybe connect a little bit about the failed 1964 presidential campaign of barry goldwater and give us some historical background about what we might be seeing today. >> thanks alex. it's great to be in arizona after having covered from afar for a lot of

maga republicans approved it at 80% and this is how you see it on the map.ing back and forth on trum for some time. here's the 2020 vote and you only saw there seven counties that joe biden won, when you look at the 2023 ballot measure here on abortion rights and each one of those urban areas that biden won there was spread, more of these suburban republican-leaning counties ended up voting on the abortion rights side, be it around cleveland, columbus, toledo and even in and around dayton. guess what? we saw the same pattern in texas, and when it was about abortion rights you saw suburban counties around wichita, and the suburban counties around topeka and kansas city and those that went republican in presidential ended up voting on the abortion rights side and michigan saw the same thing again. in each of these cases, the metro area, spread, if you will, those suburban counties. they are not trump fans in general and they're certainly not fans of the overturning of roe v. wade. five americans imprisoned are closer to home after they moved them to house arre

is it going to be a maga wave election? so i don't really, you know, i'm not going to make a prediction as to who's going to win the republican nomination. i've been in those before and i'm not in it now. but i believe that whoever the republican nominee is, whether it's donald trump or governor desantis or one of the others, you know, i like to say 24 hours can be an eternity in politics because in 24 hours, things can pivot and change based on the events and, you know, if i had to say right now, i think donald trump is in the pole position to win the nomination and if he wins, i believe he will be elected president. but the truth is, is that i believe republicans are positioned for a wave election irrespective of who the candidate is. so floyd brown are those four wave republican elections that you just described? did they move the political needle overall? yeah, long term, but that's a great question. i think that they have been big waves that have hit the beach and like any beach, they've sunk back into the ocean. none

where candidate after candidate, maga loony after maga loony, kari lake, herschel walker, all the electionasically lost, and they lost because january 6th changed the narrative about how we thought about those events and how we think about donald trump and the maga movement. >> and then it goes to the tricky position that democrats have been in during this period of rising authoritarian hate in america. on the one hand, everybody knows there's political disputes. no party is perfect. on the other hand, the party that is trying to actually hold the line on democracy or not allowing violent thugs to intimidate and hijack as someone just mentioned, poll workers and others, is also seen by some portion of the population as you're just doing itause it also benefits your side. it's both, right? you just mentioned, midterm fizzle of the republicans may very well be for those reasons, and yet at the same time, speaker pelosi chose to navigate that. i'm curious your shoe on that now that we have so much data on that. do we get here without speaker pelosi's choices about when to really fight? >> no,

t two more maga friendly areas of virginia. is it likely?— virginia. is it likely?_ virginia. is it likely? i think it's very unlikely and - virginia. is it likely? i think it's very unlikely and that l virginia. is it likely? i think| it's very unlikely and that is not just speculation. it's very unlikely and that is notjust speculation. we've seen, this is the january six docket has had quite a bit of experience at this point. there have been hundreds of defendants charged and there have been other cases like it, including defendants who have tried to move things into more maga friendly territory and those attempts failed and it's also worth mentioning it has failed with former trump allies in the paul manafort case. there was an argument too, again, for political reasons get a jury of peers more resembling one's politics and a judge pointedly noting that's not what a jury of one's peers means. it's not a referendum i'll find me a jurisdiction where people share my political views. so, just from recent history and history over the past half decade, in and near thi

we want to see what's going on. >> sandra: maga cult.>> why they are out of step with voters here, regardless if you disagree with republican or democrat voters, their brief is never such a smart thing a. televised trial would be unprecedented here, probably go against former president trump's rights here to have a fair trial as well, so i think doing that would just create more of a frenzy that does not need to happen. >> bottom line, look at the merit of the cases and not not just dismiss them because of partisan politics and that's where we are creeping down. you hear it on both sides, ignore what he is going on with hunter biden because of political prosecution or the same with donald trump. and unfortunately with one indictment, one charge after the other, it becomes more and more. >> sandra: timing, the trump indictment dropped after -- >> each indictment helps him in the polls. why would they do this, to help him succeed? >> sandra: and quick question, any indication the former president will be at the debate? >> he was just at be

he is the epitome of the maga extremism whiplash.d trump, the entire field of republican candidates for president, their focus is on culture wars, their focus is on taking care of the wealthiest most fortunate americans by supporting and passing ax breaks for the wealthiest that are unpaid for that blows holes in the deficit. they have nothing on their agenda, so all they can do is focus on culture wars, which includes trying to ban abortion nationwide. and that is the contest that you're going to have going into this election. do americans want to continue down the road that biden omics have taken us and invest in those jobs that are reducing unemployment and making sure that wages outpace inflation, that are making sure that we continue the 13 million job growth that we've had advanced, and what do we want to go down to or back to maga extremism that focuses on taking people's rights away and pits americans against one another. i think that is going to have an impact on this election. >> and speaking of florida governor desantis, a

mar marjorie taylor greene had a shot called maga mug shot. what do you think? >> it is deploradeplorable, it mockery of justice, it shows the insanity for lack of a better term for people so lost in their obsession with donlald trump in the theory that the election was stolen. it is really sad. he as you pointed out, he's innocent until proven guilty. that's not the issue here. but to stand behind in such a way to make excuses in such a way blindly, that's not what this is about. hold the prosecution to the burden. don't just jump on this bandwagon for political future gain. >> all of the focus, understand understandably is on trump. and mark meadows after that. let's not forget jeffrey clark surrendered overnight too and he was working at the department of justice and within government. the department of justice. and yet he's accused of working to perpetuate these lies and undo what the voters had done. >> that's treason. >> that's not what he's charged with. >> no, no, that's not. from a general thought process here, yes, you know, again, everyone is innocent

kennedy who would be considered a maga republican these days given his policy positions.test scores. parents rights. you want to hear the top ten countries, best educational systems right now? denmark, finland, japan, canada, sweden, israel, singapore, south korea. they are doing the blocking and tackling prepare their kids for life. we are concentrating on race and diversity and sexual orientation in first grade, carley and todd. >> carley: give todd a shout-out for asking joe concha a question about joe rogan talking about joe biden and did you it seamlessly. >> todd: i'm go going to get a cup of joe. "fox & friends" starts now. >> carley: have a good weekend. ♪ why can't we be friends ♪ why can't we be friends. [cheers] ♪ why can't we be friends ♪ i kind of like to be the president. >> ainsley: well, we can all be friends. you're watching "fox & friends" on this friday. you know what that means. it's the all-american summer concert series. and this song was sung by war and they are going to join us today. >> steve: the day we

they want joe biden over trump maga extremism.s from a primary challenge to the president. >> carlos, we will turn to the republican field, new numbers from the latest nbc news des moines registered poll taken before the debate among iowa republicans to participate in next year's caucuses, according to some of the state, up 46% of those voters described themselves as margaret publicans. it is actually more than the 42% who say donald trump is their first choice for president. how should we read those results? because it doesn't give any opening to any other contenders, even a sliver? >> well, lindsey, as long as there are so many candidates in the race, donald trump is going to have a major advantage because most of those maga voters are obviously aligned with him. however, these numbers reveal that there is a 54% of iowa republicans who do not consider themselves maga republicans. so if this field pins out and one candidate can really start consolidating the support of the non maga element, of the non trump element of the republi

when these maga 2024 republicans take the debate stage here in milwaukee.ir. they are here in milwaukee. politico had their playbook out there, debate counterattack strategy, campaign top surrogates. media tour. some billboards near the venue. we have seen some of those. plane dragging a banner on maga base and war room to push back live on twitter. we're back with the panel. obviously every party does something like this, but seems like democrats are paying close attention here. >> well, i think they are engaging early. they understand that the race will be close. you know the polling even with former president trump and president biden is, i think, a dead heat, 44-44. and there is thinking on the democrat side that if one of these candidates is able to break out tonight, that will be the candidate or maybe two of them will go up against trump. so i think they are smart to do it. this is a time-honored tradition of coming in and being excessive and going over the top what you say about the other side. jamie harrison is upholding that tradition pretty well.

but, again, dealing with an extreme group of people, this extreme maga republican majority that righthe house of representatives, there is an inability to function, to do the basics of what is required as members of congress, and to focus on solving problems for the american people. so the extreme maga republicans are marching us towards a reckless government shutdown because what they want to try to do is to jam their right-wing ideology down the throats of the american people. that's exactly the wrong thing that should occur. >> do you think though that -- mccarthy controls the floor. do you think a harvard is inevitable? >> it remains to be seen. we will work hard to stop a reckless shutdown from taking place. ultimately, that is the area that the extreme maga republicans are going to have to make a decision about whether they want to govern or whether they want to continue to pedal their right-wing ideology. >> the administration set up an emergency spending proposal that included disaster funding and additional ukraine funding. if you purdue university pull up the polling on wher

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the one juror at the trial who spoke said she was a maga republican, she had a red maga hat. and i love this. she said i left my hat in the car. house just a great symbolic way of saying i have an oath of office and i did my job. she voted to convict. she had a very cute line afterwards. she said let me give some advice to president trump who is it present at the time. paul manafort should not be pardoned. and she acted out of principle. that is what you are looking for, somebody who is if the government is not prove its case is going to say, you know what? not guilty. they're not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt and they have the gonna do with the judge instructs. >> that's so well put and fascinating. you talked about someone who shared the former president's 2016 campaign. not. nobody ballots turned to these trials investigations from three prosecutors and four probes, at least in your day, hush money scheme that we've been following. special counsel smith both overseeing the classified documents probe and the probe into the coup, and there is what everyone has bee

why isn't maga inc. funding everyone's defense.court and others can judge what they did, boy did she do a lot, she seems to be learning the hard way like so many others, it's a one-way thing, one-way loyalty as i read that. i'm curious, a, if you can tell us who's paying you for mr. eastman's counsel, and, b, do you have any response to what codefendant ellis says? >> i could never, with any client, i could never get into who's paying the bills. that's privileged obviously, i would never take on a representation unless my only sole is to do what's best for the client. >> and what about what ms. ellis is saying, someone like mr. eastman did advocate all theway down the line for trump, she seems to be suggesting, it's a one way loyalty, and she's going to be sold out. >> i'm going to let ms. ellis speak for herself. everybody is in a different position, and different views, and she has a platform to give her views, and i'll let her do that for herself. >> i'm doing my job, which is raising this stuff. we told you we would have you ba

it is not the extreme maga agenda an electorate that would be taking on joe biden.ate, asking all of those participating in this debate to sign the loyalty pledge, this is not just a loyalty pledge to support the nominee. it is a beat biden pledge. the republican party is going to galvanize together as we get a nominee to beat biden and beat these policies that are causing the economy to be the way it is, safety and security for the american people to be at a place where they don't like. and if you want to run on the economy, that's unfortunate because the american people aren't feeling good about the economy. >> we should note that the current front-runner has not signed that pledge. a guy by the named of donald j. trump. >> that's exactly right. >> is there any credible race that's quiet behind the scenes among democrats for an alternative to joe biden? >> absolutely not. >> are you sure about that? >> yes. >> there are some pacs that have been set up by gretchen whitmer, for instance. >> by people who might in an imaginary world and given the reality that we're i

on top of that, maga republicans in congress emboldened voted trump introduced their election than our wish list which would severely restrict american access to the ballot box. that is why we need to continue to confront them just as the prosecutors did this week. safeguarding the freedom to vote is fundamental to reserving our democracy. congress much -- must have national standards including the freedom to vote act so the attacks on freedom never come to fruition. if you don't pass these common sense measures, election denialism will take root. we will never stop fighting to protect american democracy and we hope you will join us in continuing the fight. thank you very much. [applause] >> that concludes our program this afternoon. thank you all for being so committed. i hope you join me in thanking lisa. all of our partners in the not above the law coalition. please check is apt -- please check us out in the people of american way, the women's citizen for responsibility -- i would rather be on our side than any other in the world. you people are amazing so thank you and we will see

and number two, you're going to talk about reproductive rights and maga.e followed that script and the rest is history. he defied the odds overwhelmingly in the in the midterms. i think the best playbook for i'm curious about what you guys but it seems to me because you know so much more about the gop than i do. but it seems to me that the best playbook would be in bill clinton's playbook from the nineties when, newt gingrich, the then speaker, was setting his hair on fire a daily basis. and and impeaching bill clinton for the monica scandal clinton essentially kept his head down and went about the business of governing and was richly rewarded and ignored the which seems to me like pretty good blueprint very good thank you, mr. draper. let's turn now to file a quick complaint about the ron klain review by way, i know you're the expert on this, but ron klain's most admirable trait is how great of a twitter he is. he's great at that. he's very good. i just think that we know that it would have been a mistake to not mention that. wait a second. he's also a re

donald trump and his maga cronies are trying repeatedly to lie about donald trump plus crimes and many are focused on the political theater, who is up and down on any particular day. it is important for us to step back and think about what is fundamentally at stake with this indictment. what this indictment is actually about. it is about we as americans, when we cast our ballot, can actually be confident our vote will be counted no matter what political party we belong to end no matter who we voted for. it is about whether or not a president and his allies can throw out the votes of voters they do not like in order to stay in power. it is about whether we are a democracy or an authoritarian regime. where elections are just for show and the same people seem to stay in power no matter the will of voters. the answer should be tier that we, the american people, choose our leaders, not the other way around. that we decide whether or not our leaders stay or go. because, this is a democracy. and, that is something most of our elected leaders have seemed to understand until recently. over the

go for him. >> and looking at the former governors and the bamambassador the united nations. >> the maga movement is an anti-institution movement. and trump is an anti-institution candidate and so it is not surprising that ramaswamy would appeal to the same group, and one thing that is working with the republican base, and by the way, the audience reflected the republican base is that he doesn't care about institutions. he does not -- and he disstains t them, and ramaswamy has adopted that and so the problem is that trump is there. and so how much of a well does he have to draw from. >> and he also said that he was the best president of the 21st century. >> so why is he running against him? >> right. and that is the question for all of them, would you support trump if he is convicted and 6 of the 8 hands came up. >> some more slowly than others. >> and desantis was pausing. >> and some checking to the left and right, and that going to inauthenticity issue. >> several candidates on the stage that seemed to really dislike vivek ramaswamy, and mike pence seemed to have it in for him instant

guest 2: i will pick on the maga republicans. i am an independent.n party attempting to do something about how the districts are laid out. normally, in the past, when a party continue to lose elections, they would then try to expand their base. if you want to look at the right, you can look at ronald reagan as he expanded his base hugely to include people of color and women. in this case, from a narrative standpoint, it seemed to be "vital signs of democracy -- seemed the maga republicans had given up on trying to attract voters. so then you need to attract votes to win as a minority in the electoral college. what is going on in alabama in addition to gerrymandering is the fact the supreme court, it is conservative by any means, as already said there needs to be two districts. and the state of alabama said, we are not going to do that. this is something indicating where we might be going. when you have states saying, they are looking at the federal opinion and saying, we are not going to listen to that. host: mike from stockton, california on the ind

of the maga party donald trump.what they have to do but they have to make themselves different. tomorrow will be a key day for ron desantis. he is in second place. how can he differentiate himself from donald trump even though the main guy will not be on the debate stage? >> harris: can i ask a question? set the picture up there. the order of where everybody is standing. does it make a difference? >> i think it makes a difference because it signals visually to republican voters and everyone watching who is considered to be a favorite amongst republican voters. i also think it's critical. if you are number five like a chris christie or six like scott or four like haley, you won't to go after 1, 2, 3 to increase your standing and showcase you have what it takes to take on biden, kamala and democrats. >> harris: jose, come to you first with this. as for the democrats, the push is on to boost the vice president's profiles. she says she is under more media scrutiny than other vps. i think that's the case. i'm not going t

same thing with the maga people. they want to make bucks off people.e way it goes. >> i want to talk about a. i.. it's what obviously everyone is talking about. people are excited about it. they're afraid of it. what is your current view of it, especially as it relates to workers? because we're in a moment where it seems like every other industry is facing labor issues, potential strikes, and maybe big business is sitting back saying, maybe labor doesn't have the power it once did with a eye right around the corner. >> i think they are saying that everyone is looking for efficiency. the year of efficiency, as a coburg called, it and i think a lot of businesses are doing that. i did a panel this weekend at -- the book festival, and i met geraldine brooks, rebecca mckay, jacob weisberg, and we were talking about the impact on rioters. but you could pick anybody like the impact on, lawyers on doctors, and what's interesting about this is the impact on white collar workers more than anybody else with the a. i. revolution. because it's about words and text

it goes on to mention, the same memo, that the debate is a race for the maga base. not a pathway to winning the general election in 2024. that is in quotes. how do you see the primary shaking up, in which biden's best plan of attack as he prepares for the general election no matter what they do on wednesday night? >> in terms of japan, i think the best plan of attack is to do what he's doing. make sure the economy is solid, engage a lot of younger voters who are concerned about everything from rising mortgage prices to student loan debt. so make sure that coalition that was so helpful in 2020 and 2022 midterms, independent voters, young voters, but also disaffected republicans. make sure that coalition stays intact. and i think the memo is correct in saying that the gop is probably going to focus more on, from a debate stage standpoint, on attacking donald trump. but the reality is, none of them have the language or have spoken in a way that would make them at all successful, or at least competitive, in my view, in a general election. their focus, as we said before,

because i think on the merits, this is again kind of soft autocratic big government maga conservatism if you will. not really conservatism, but like this big government autocratic strain of maga that desantis is acting out. but on the merits, i don't think he's doing it? maybe he wants to get back to where was he, when was he doing well versus trump. i was back last winter. he looked like he was politically strong. he was attacking the media. winning in florida. attacking the media, attacking the perceived enemies. and i think if you want to rebuild himself up back at the expense of other people. how does he do it? migrants from the border to martha's vineyard. republican voters like that. obviously was grossed in detestable but it was working for him politically. i think he sees here, kind to concentrate or's? this one is a woman of color. can pick on somebody that can make him into a bad guy and seem tough again. and then use that to boomerang myself back to having some strength on the national stage. i don't know if that's going to work. i kind of doubt it will but i think that is