maggie haberman, let's start there. republicans say it's the number one issue with primary voters. is it mart for the president? many people thought sebelius would go after the election. is it smart to do this and you get a hearing in the health education and labor committee, then a finance committee vote and probably a week of floor debate where republicans -- i don't think they'll go after sylvia that much, but they will go after, what about premiums, can i keep my doctor and so on and so forth. >> i think the white house is operating from the premise it can't get much worse for democrats in terms of obamacare, we've hit the bottom. if you lose sebelius now, you take the idea that nobody was held accountable off the table, that talking point goes away. also, as you said, the hearings will focus on obamacare, she was confirmed once before, burwell. she will likely be confirmed again. it will provide messy headlines. >> do democrats feel pressure as this plays out? we're going to confirm her, she's going to get her votes. we'll say nice things about sebelius. happy she's gone to ma

>> you know, this was a real surprise that maggie haberman and ben white turned up as they talked tole dozen people that work around or in wall street. in the financial services world they said their first choice would be jeb bush. their second choice would be chris christie. but what if neither of them is available in 2016, these republicans say they would be perfectly happy to have hillary clinton. they say that they see her as approachable. they have a track record with her. she was the new york senator for eight years. so the number of wall street people were advisers to her. she worked making money for the clinton foundation. and she's been out on the circuit among the many places -- >> i smell a rat. i smell a rat. >> okay. >> these republicans, they want to say that because it will then ultimately hurt hillary. won't it? right? >> listen, you hear this not just on wall street. you talk to republicans around the country who are disappointed in governor christie. they are sensing jeb bush's ambivalence and they shrug at the end of the conversation and say hillary won't be so bad