cnn political analyst, maggie haberman reported on that months ago. back when maggie reported, two months ago, the president went out of his way to tell a falsehood and attack maggie as well. president trump is in decisions with a veteran washington lawyer who represented bill clinton during the -- joining the white house to help deal. instead, he chose to tweet this, the president could have ignored that story or said something bland but true instead he chose to tweet this and shows you honesty. quote, the failing "new york times" purposely wrote a story failing i'm unhappy with my legal team on the russia case and i'm going to add another lawyer to help out. wrong. i'm very happy with my lawyers, john dowd, ty cobb and jay sekulow. so keeping them honest, and went on to say she knows nothing about. first of all, maggie haberman was right. and we know this because now that lawyer she reported on has been officially hired. the president said he was very happy with his three lawyers. let's point out two of the three hours he was happy with are no longer

that scene with maggie haberman. has come out saying attacking maggie haberman saying she has no access to him. >> yeah. right. >> she talked to him on the phone. >> it didn't seem at that moment like it was the first time he called her. he had her number. >> when he he decide to do this film. it starts on inauguration day. >> trump after he was elected was going around to the major newspapers and organizations. and he had a meeting with the "new york times." which he decided to cancel. by twitter. and they started in this twitter back and forth. on that day november 22, i thought this paper is obviously has a huge amount of meeting for him. he's from queens his hometown paper. cnn has been in the one of his favorite punching bags as well. it felt like this dynamic was ripe and explore press freedom during this presidency. >> you get a sense which we experience here as well, of the -- people talk about a 24 hour news cycle. newspaper it was about getting out the evening edition or morning edition. that's gone in the

cnn political analyst, maggie haberman reported on that months ago. back when maggie reported, two months ago, the president went out of his way to tell a falsehood and attack maggie as well. president trump is in decisions with a veteran washington lawyer who represented bill clinton during the -- joining the white house to help deal. instead, he chose to tweet this, and it shows you a lot about his honesty, quote, the failing "new york times" purposely wrote a false story. wrong, i am very happy with my lawyers, john dowd, ty cobb and jay sekulow. so keeping them honest, and went on to say she knows nothing about. first of all, maggie haberman was right. the president said he was happy with his three lawyers. two of those three lawyers he was happy with are no longer his lawyers. as for the claim that haberman is not given access and knows nothing about the president, that is a refrain from the president. -- who i don't speak to and have nothing to do with. now, you can believe the president on that or you can believe your eye, oh look, it is maggie

for example, maggie haberman. remember that lunch at the trump grill.ou got the scoop on my presidential bid. i got the bacon cheeseburger. and i licked the catchup lid. >> where did we go wrong? >> was it when i called you a hillary flunky? stop pretending your integrity, you work with bret stephens. there is only so much a recipe is simple can do. i have already lost him and i can't lose you. congratulations to tonight's honorees. i look forward to locking you up in the coming years. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome correspondents association president margaret tollefson. >> thank you. good evening, everyone. to those of you in this room and watching across america, welcome to the white house correspondents dinner. [applause] in this room, we are republicans and democrats, people of all classes, races, religion, and gender self identifications. my name is margaret tollef, i am senior white house correspondent for bloomberg news, and a cbs contributor, i am proud to serve as your president of the white house correspondents association

it's incredible that scene with maggie haberman. king maggie saying she has no access to him. she talks to him on the phone. >> didn't seem like in the moment it was the first time he called her. he had her number. >> when did you decide to do this film? inauguration say, you see some people watching the administration. >> trump after he was elected was going around to the major news outlets and organizations and he had a meeting with the "new york times" he decided to cancel abruptly via twitter. on that day, november 2 i thought this paper has a huge amount of meaning for him. he's from queens. it's his hometown paper. it's dynamic. let's see how it's going play out. cnn has been one-his favorite punching bags as well, but at that point i wanted to see how it played out and get a sense of the press urgency. >> we also get an experience ---en why, people used to aus used to talk about a 24-hour news cycle. with newspapers it was about the morning or evening edition. that's all gone in the wind now. it's digital. getting stuff out as

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. >> i want to bring in john dean, carrie cordero and maggie haberman. is it possible that juliani is giving this interview and talking about this to get this narrative out there. from a legal standpoint, i have heard several legal analyst say it is not law. but didn't somebody during the ken starr time write a different legal opinion. >> we don't know if rudy giuliani is an accurate representation. if it is correct that in fact the special counsel's office has told them that they are adopting the view in the prevailing justice department. that a sitting president would not be indicted. that might play into what the president might have brought in impeachment counsel recently, if that timing matches up. there are different opinions in independent counsel memoranda. the prevailing rule is that the sitting president cannot be indicted. but there was, you are correct, there was a different memoranda that was written during the time of the starr investigation. all of these memoranda that were written in the justice department were historical. written in the

maggie haberman -- scoop haberman. >> thank you. >>> confirmed gina haspel for the cia. 54-45. gina haspel, first woman to lead the cia and fierce opposition to the nomination. after the 9/11 terrorist attacks but sufficient opposition there was not. sticking with the politics lead, what's the real reason rudy giuliani keeps saying one cannot indict a sitting president? we think we know why. stay with us. ♪ most people come to la with big dreams. ♪ we came with big appetites. with expedia, you could book a flight, hotel, car, and activity all in one place. ♪ i'm 85 years old in a job where. i have to wear a giant hot dog suit. what? where's that coming from? i don't know. i started my 401k early, i diversified... i'm not a big spender. sounds like you're doing a lot. but i still feel like i'm not gonna have enough for retirement. like there's something else i should be doing. with the right conversation, you might find you're doing okay. so, no hot dog suit? not unless you want to. no. schedule a complimentary goal planning session today with td ameritrade®. i'm a fighter. alwa

it's been awhile since we've heard from "new york times" correspondent maggie haberman. these -- the story today about the payments. does it -- i mean, just in terms of the optics, in nothing else, from michael cohen to be in business with even if it's an american affiliate of a -- run by a guy who is the cousin or relative of a russian oligarch whose company is a parent company of this affiliate with close ties to putin. >> i think the argument that cohen and his folks would make is that this was all legal. there was no reason not to make it. nothing prohibiting it. that may be true, but the optics are not good. at a moment when it was already clear that there were investigations -- >> this is after the election. >> correct. it was after the election. clear there were already investigations going on into russian influence on the 2016 election. at minimum, as the president's personal attorney you could predict this was going to become a headache down the road. >> rudy giuliani's pushing back on this idea that the president -- that president trump is unhappy with his perf

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white house correspondent maggie haberman joins us now.could just pick up the phone and know the truth and know what was done and not done. he is taking another path and it is a path of distraction and of spreading negative possibilities. >> um-hum. >> we know that they came out and said the feds, there was no implant. we know they see spy as a pejorative in general. this is our clearest indication recently that he wants people to believe something that distracts from mueller. >> i think what he did this week is actually substantially different than what we have seen him do in the past in terms of his aggressive attempts to undermine the federal law enforcement agencies that were both looking at russian interference in the 2016 election and then obviously the mueller probe that has continued on. what he did in terms of trying to set the terms by which he could learn information that related to the investigation in to his own campaign this week. we saw him consult with his personal lawyer rudy giuliani and then issue a directive to the depa

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. >>> last night maggie haberman reported a new detail about the president's quote, i here by demand an investigation tweet. quote, trump who is being investigated for obstruction of justice by a department of justice appointed special counsel consulted with his personal lawyer on his order to the doj to investigate the investigation into himself. and when asked last november about why he had not ordered an investigation into hillary clinton, this is what the president had to say about his relationship with the justice department at the time. >> you know, the saddest thing because i'm the president of the united states i am not supposed to be involved with the justice department. i'm not supposed to be involved with the fbi. i'm not supposed to be doing the kinds of things i'd love to be doing and i'm very frus tratdtr. >> expressing shocks over reports that a secret source met with three members of the trump campaign back in 2016. >> you know, we don't know what happened. we read the press reports, but it's all very troubling. it's all very troubling to those of us that hold the fbi

maggie haberman. >> the seeking of approval. it was his hometown newspaper, the elite newspaper.e thing he's different than any other president who complained about press coverage, he takes a sort of stalin-esque of the press. there is an old expression. when a con man tells you a con, believe him. the reason i demean the press is when you write negative stories about me, people won't believe it. that's exactly what dictators and authoritarians have done in history. >> the same tactic with the fbi, same with bob mueller's investigation, he wants to dee legitimatize institution so their word means nothing. >> it is interesting how there has been some, you know, diminution of the power of the press, a little bit here. the reason i say that is when i was growing up in follow ticks, people said, you will and i never get in the fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel who can wage war on you in the press. nowadays there is not really a problem for doing that, right? it drives more clicks. he wins when he goes to war with you. >> i don't know if he wins. i had mean, i think it's l

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joining me now, cnn political analyst and "new york times" white house correspondent maggie haberman cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. dana, you spoke to rudy giuliani today. i understand just again very recently. give us an update on your conversations with him. >> where do we start, john? first of all, let's maybe start with the news that he broke up with and from his law firm that maggie and here colleagues at "the new york times" broke today. subsequent to that report, cnn and i believe "the times" as well got a statement from that law firm suggesting that when giuliani went on fox last week and talked about the fact that law firms all the time, he seemed to say law firms all the time make -- lawyers all the time make payments for their clients without telling their clients. a spokeswoman for the firm today put out a statement basically saying, no, no, we don't do that. i just spoke with giuliani, who was quite upset, as you can imagine, about the notion of them dissing giuliani so publicly. he argued that, well, what he was talking about at fox, john, follow this, was

you have a story with your colleague, maggie haberman in the new york times about the prospect of the president adding an attorney to his team specifically focused on the threat of impeachment, this is an attorney who had worked on? - clinton. - clinton's impeachment. now, the president denies this is true, but he denies it in his own charming way, on twitter, and in doing so attacks the story that you wrote. this is kind of like the new normal, is it not? - yeah, and similar to other ways that he's attacked us, he sort of says that the story says something that it doesn't and it allows him to galvanize his people and to call us the failing new york times and plays into his narrative, and it's just sunday morning. - it's just a regular sunday morning. the thing he's denying, let's be clear about this. as you say, the thing he's denying is not the thing that is necessarily the basis for the story. - no, it's not really the rest of the story. we mention lower down, the story's about bringing in this lawyer, and moving into sort of a new phase as he deals with the mueller investigation.

joining me now is maggie haberman.how approached the attorney general to unrecuse himself. >> almost immediately after the recusal, the president was extremely upset that it had taken place and caught off guard by it. his theory, the wiretap tweets that the president issued. a dinner at mar-a-lago. session said no. and the president continued to discuss this with people, the idea that he wanted sessions to unrecuse. he was told by some of the allies that the recusal was overly broad. and that is what fueled it. and still talking about it in into the fall. and now special counsel mueller is looking into this as part of a broader question of obstruction of justice >> the number of questions that the trump team believes mueller wants to talk about, a number of those refer to sessions and efforts to get him to unrecuse himself. correct, or at least efforts to talk about sessions or sessions' recusal. >> is it known the back and forth, what it was like? the president had according to reporting been avoiding talking to sessi

joining us on the phone is maggie haberman, "the new york times" correspondent who helped to break this story. maggie, thank you for joining us. it's my understanding this is in the conversation of the president sitting for an interview. is that your understanding? >> that's correct. look. that's the nature of almost all of their conversations. what mueller is looking for is an interview with the president and any information they get and been in the context of those discussions. mueller, rudy giuliani told mike schmidt and me throughout september 1st as the date to get this done by and the interview then was asterisked on to it. i think that the chances of this interview remain extremely unlikely what rudy giuliani is saying just based on my other reporting. i do think that robert mueller is mindful of the fact that we are entering a window where it's going to be close to the campaign once we get past, you know, july or mid august and i think that he is aware of the potential for his -- report coming later than that but before the election appearing to impede the election and what rudy

we were just showing maggie haberman's tweet on screen, of course "the new york times" reporter involved in this. what is the steps the correspondents association can take in a situation like this? >> that is a good question. i mean, i don't speak for the correspondents association any more, but i do think it's important for reporters whether we are all covering the white house or covering other aspects of washington or other beats around the country to stand up for truth, to call it out when something like this happens. in this case the president obviously saying something that is untrue. i think we can band together on that. and then as i repeated over and over again when i was president of the correspondents association, i think the best way we fight back is by doing good work. >> a.b. stodardt, we want it to be about the things we're writing. if we have sling ands arrows, that's part of the job. there has been a lot of republican criticism of the media over the decades. newt gingrich, we were not a favorite of his. but this does seem to be different than the kind of criticism that of

this is old news, according to white house press secretary and "wonderful woman, is that okay, maggie haberman?" sarah huckabee sanders. yesterday, she said, "these facts are consistent with what the united states has long known: iran has a robust, clandestine nuclear weapons program." holy cow! iran has a nuclear weapons program! well, then, definitely get out of the deal. as soon as-- wait, i'm told that the white house has changed the word "has" to "had." oh, that's kind of different, like the difference between "has" chlamydia and "had" chlamydia. ( laughter ) ( applause ) something-- yes. a big difference. something to be careful about when you're typing up your tinder profile. the media has been unearthing a lot of stories that paint a bleak picture of the white house. but trump wants everybody to know that everything in the white house is going just fine. "the white house is running very smoothly, despite phony witch hunts, et cetera. there is great energy and unending stamina, both necessary to get things done." coincidentally, "great energy" and "unending stamina" are the names of the

. >> i'm also just curious on the falsehoods, maggie haberman, "new york times," she was talking about word lie and falsehood. i see her point on watering down the dangers and watering down the word lie, with trump, or else we'd be saying lie 20 times a day but if he lies, don't you have to call it a lie? >> yeah. i believe if there's a lie, we into the president need to call it out. i also think we can't treat everything he says the same and that there are gradations to his speech and to his rhetoric. and it is important for us t explorehat is an acte lie, if we have reporting to suggest that he actually concocted something totally false, knowingly passing it on to the american people versus maybe he is spewing some information that is incorrect but he's totally ill informed about it. there's been a whole range of trump's rhetoric that needs exposing by the political press corps. >> a range of lies, here we are. david chalian, thank you as always. just ahead here, he used to be kim jong un's top spy and now he's on his way to the u.s. in hopes of saving this nuclear summit with presid

the owner and the keeper of the information, so if he wants to talk to a reporter, maggie haberman oromebody, rudy giuliani, what ever come of this is what he does. this is how he operates. >> juan: a lot of people think there needs to be a historical record gap because things are so strange right now in the white house. >> kimberly: there should be a record because it's strange? >> juan: people want the historical record to be clear. it's like the phone call with the australian prime minister. no problem. turns out it was a big problem and somebody leaked it because they want of the world to know this is the way he talks to our allies. >> greg: i have witnessed things said in this company that people who didn't think it was ever going to be public but somebody said it. >> kimberly: that was profound profound. stunning reaction is that media places blame on the u.s. and israel for the deadly protests in gaza and the west bank. that's next. stay with us. with expedia, you can book a flight, hotel, car, and activity... ...all in one place. everything you need to go. expedia mr. elliot,

. >> in a separate report, julie, you and your colleague maggie haberman also detailed a handful of conspiracy theories that trump perpetrated during his campaign, claiming the u.s. government knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance and that justice scalia was murdered, perpetuating the lie that president obama was born in kenya. and even tonight at a rally, he's pushing even more conspiracy theories about people infiltrating his campaign? >> well, he's been discussing this, branding it spy-gate for the past several days now, basically seizing on this idea that the fbi had an informant that was contacting members of his campaign team and saying that essentially that amounts to a scheme by barack obama and democratic operatives to send a spy into his campaign, to try to block him from being elected. what we know, what our reporting has told us about this informant is that the informant was sent in because a counterintelligence investigation had uncovered that the russians were potentially trying to interfere in the election and that trump campaign associates had been communicating with people fr

. -- maggie haberman.he mueller probe has resulted in 75 criminal charges. 22 people and companies charged. here's the president's lawyer, rudy giuliani, explaining the strategy of undermining mueller. take a listen. >> of course we have to do it in defending the president. we're defending to a large extent, remember, we're defending here it is for public opinion, because eventually the decision here is going to be impeach, not impeach. >> so they're acknowledging that they're trying to change the public opinion so that members of congress are less likely to impeach, and what do you think? it might be working to a degree. >> it certainly is working among republicans. and thank you for having me. there are a lot of polls or some that have shown a shift in public opion about the mueller probe. it'seen slig, and it has been amo republicans. all republicans are not the president's base. the fact that he is able to influence any segment of the electorate in this way means he's going to keep going. what's remark

we have cnn political analyst and white house correspondent maggie haberman.as always. the idea of apologizing off the table because that's not what trump and trump co says, even though it was a layup to make the situation better. so now they are focusing on the source instead of the leak itself. >> to your point, they almost always focus on the source as opposed to the information that came out. it is who did this? they are discussing shrinking their coms team. as many as a dozen can go. we heard before there were going to be changes in personnel after leaks, after the president gets upset about them, and it has very rarely happen. i can count on one hand the number of people that gets pushed out. this feels a little bit different. they have canceled this large morning communications meeting which is the meeting where this comment was said. it leaked out. there used to be 30 people in this meeting. it did not take place for most of the days this week. i don't believe it is taking place again today. part of the reason is they are trying to streamline things. t

they have you listed twice, john and white house correspondent for "the new york times" maggie haberman. all right, so we have this dovetailing of law and politics and objectively i couldn't ask for better guests for this. maggie, i start with you. rudy came here ready to go and to lay things out differently, more deeply, and more aggressively than i've heard. your take. >> i have the exact same take. i was struck, it was a very long interview. i know that he was giving you some grief at some point saying th was very unfair. i don't think it wasfair, number one. number two, i actually thought that it was one of the more comprehensible interviews that he has done. he kept returning over and over again when you were talking to comey. >> comey is a liar, he found nothing, he was corrupt. >> well, he said something that was very interesting, which was it's going come down to whether they believe mueller, meaning whether they believe comey or the president. and i found that fascinating. because as we know comey has been interviewed by mueller's people. comey has been out very public with a b

. >> maggie haberman, thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> as we've mentioned rudy giuliani claims that the special counsel told him that the president cannot be indicted. richard blumenthal has a very different take and he's here next. ♪ ♪ ♪ no matter when you retire, your income doesn't have to. see how lincoln can help ensure you still have income every month of your retirement, guaranteed, at lincolnfinancial.com. what? directv gives you more for your thing. your... quitting cable and never looking back thing. directv is rated #1 in customer satisfaction over cable. switch to directv and now get a $100 reward card. more for your thing. that's our thing. call 1.800 directv. the dual adjustability of the sleep number bed allows each of you to adjust to your ideal level of firmness, comfort and support... your sleep number setting... for your best... sleep... ever. and snoring? does your bed do that? right now during sleep number's semi-annual sale its' the lowest price ever on the queen c4 mattress, only $1099 - save $500. and save up to $500 on sleep number 360 smart beds. ends

there was a tweet from the "new york times" maggie haberman. she tweeted one person close to the white house sums up trump legal strategy right now as two teams. there's the trump/rudy team and then there's the lawyers. i've heard something along those lines too that trump and rudy are running the stormy fog machine mayhem much to the consternation of emmett flood. >> it's a one flew over the cuckoo's nest. let's just look ahead and broaden this. i think it's clear as day where all of this is going. because he's a serial liar does not explicate him from having to testify before the special counsel. he can do it voluntarily or under subpoena. if he refuses the subpoena, then we have to test a proposition in the supreme court of this country. that is, is the president of the united states above the law? for all of our history, the case has been that the answer to that question is no, the president is not above the law. the office, the institution, the presidency is bigger than the man. it's a coequal branch of government between the legislative,

. >> kat rip, because everybody gets a dramatic reading, yours is a tweet by our friend maggie haberman. giuliani tells the associated press he believes mueller isn'ting on calling kushner or trump's children for interviews. quote, our understanding is that he's pretty much finished. as far as we know, we're basically the last witness. as far as i know you're not on the legal team on either side but do you think giuliani has the standing and knowledge and direct orders or ability to say that? >> that is what he is saying for now. he is the president's attorney and we do know there is a lot of interest and intensive thety around whether those interviews would be. k the piece you mentioned that john lemire did today speaking to giuliani, they may end up delaying decisions around an interview until after his trip to hold this meeting with the north korean leader but they are interested in trying to resolve this so this is part of that everyday, trying to get to the end of this. >> jennifer, based on your understanding of the feds as a former fed does it sound like mueller would say to muel

. >> catherine, because everyone gets a dramatic reading tonight, yours is a tweet by maggie haberman, who was quoting an a.p. piece, and here it is. giuliani tells the associated press he believes mueller isn't planning on calling kushner or trump's children for interviews. quote, our understanding is that he's pretty much finished, giuliani said. as far as we know, we're basically the last witness. catherine, as far as i know, you're not on the legal team on either side, but do you think rudy giuliani has the standing and knowledge and direct orders or ability to say that? >> that is what he is saying for now. he is the president's attorney, and we do know there's a lot of interest and sensitivity around whether those interviews would happen. i think what we do know is that there's a lot of interest in the trump camp in wrapping this up. we heard that from vice president pence this week. we're clearly hearing that from giuliani. that piece which you mentioned my colleague jon lemire did today speaking to giuliani, obviously they're going to -- they may end up delaying a decision aro

. >> ab, we had maggie haberman on earlier who has an article about this, about the president peddling conspiracy theories and this morning we have exhibit a and this one is a whopper. when the tweets come out it's our job to parse presidential statements for what they mean. he sent out a tweet this morning that is i think he's played his hand with this one, because he's peddling a conspiracy theory that hasn't happened yet, he's predicting a conspiracy theory will happen in the future and that mueller's team will meddle in the upcoming election. the president knows that election meddling is one of those catch phrases much like spygate, much like -- i don't know, there's others recently -- that get peoples' attention. >> witch hunt. >> and we also know from recent reporting that he test drives these deep state -- he wasn't crazy about deep state then he thought it was catching on with right wing media. election meddling is one of those and, you know, i'm just curious about your thoughts on whether or not these things actually take root in a real and effective way so that he's now plant

so the idea of the friendly interview and maggie haberman, my colleague has said that, donald trump wants to have the conversations he'd be having with his friends. his legal team don't like seeing that. he walks himself into danger. that is the danger of a friend live setting where he peefeels comfortable and mr. hannity is a friend. >> appreciate the time. with me now, mike peska, and we're continuing to monitor events in cleveland, the president speaking at a roundtable. mike, let me pick up where we just were with jim talking about various appearances by rudy giuliani this week. let's listen to a few clips from the first few interviews, just to give a sense, a flavor, of what he was saying mid way through the week. >> imagine if that came out on october 16, 2016 in the middle of the last kdebate with hillar clinton. >> to make it go away -- >> cohen didn't even ask. he made it go away. he did his job. >> there he is trying to talk it away. he had a strategy. he said it may not have been the best strategy or the one the president wanted him to have but there was one. >> i think he was

speaking of rudy giuliani, joining us now with her new reporting is maggie haberman and the rest of my panel. i understand you talked to giuliani today. what did he tell you about this timeline? >> he called me because mike schmidt and i had reported on sunday that he had said that the special counsel had told the legal team they hoped to have this wrapped by september 1st, but they made clear it was contingent on an interview with the president that's all that this negotiation is about, and that these meetings have been about. he called because he -- there had been reports that he might have made that up. i think there's a lot of suggest shun after that after a reuters report. he said everybody in the room on their legal team who came in with them heard it the same way, except for jay sekulow, one of the president's other lawyers, which heard the end of summer. but regardless, it was roughly the same time frame. his point was they have heard from mueller's office in the past when mueller's folks have been unhappy with something that trump's team had done. they did not say anything thi

maggie haberman is tweeting one person close to white house sums up trump legal strategy right now aswo teams, there's the trump-rudy team and then there's the lawyers. that might not be a successful combination. >> none of the white house lawyers, none of the lawyers on trump's team can be happy with what they've seen from rudy giuliani. midway through this media barrage you had to wonder whether rudy was the president's lawyer or a plant from the opposition. it really was a misstep at every step along the way. so i would imagine, emmet flood can't be happy about what he's seeing and there will have to be some sort of meeting of the minds before they can move forward. >> you had a close look at candidate trump and trump campaign supporter rudy giuliani during the campaign, you've watched them upclose during the presidency, what about these two -- how do they work together? the president did not bring giuliani into the cabinet, giuliani openly craved for secretary of state, didn't get it. is the relationship one of trust? is it one of convenience? what's going on here? >> no, certainl

listen to maggie haberman from the "new york times" said earlier today. >> to me the label is much morea semantics game and i understand that there is a lot of anger out there and i understand that there is a feeling that this president is not being held accountable. he says so many things that are not you true that i would literally be use the word "lie" probably 20 times a day if you were just going on a day he gave speeches or through tweets. to me that loses power. and also we are dealing with someone and you know this very well who tries to create his own narrative and his own facts. >> what is your reaction? >> i have a lot of thoughts about this. if you watch the documentary about the "new york times" that just was released on showtime, editor in chief of the "new york times" has a lot of interesting things to say. his argument is that the "times" doesn't use it -- that they have used it in headlines reporting on trump which was a major break with tradition there, but he argued that they didn't use it -- they didn't want to use it so often because it lost his its power. factually

ashley just made, i want to show a tweet from someone we all know and a colleague of peter's, maggie haberman. one person close to the white house sums up trump legal strategy right now as two teams. there's the trump-rudy team, and then there's the lawyers. elegant turn of phrase there. but do you imagine right about now emmet flood is really happy he moved all his stuff across town from his partnership in williams & connelly to a small office in the west wing? >> i imagine he's quite frustrated to see rudy giuliani out on television after he, himself, says he's only about halfway through learning the facts of the case. there can be some very assistant consequences of rudy giuliani, as trump's attorney, making these statements on his behalf. those are statements that are binding on the party on whose behalf you're making them. he's not just some, you know, friend of president trump or pundit who is opining about issues. he is his lawful attorney representing him and making these statements. so some very serious consequences there. so i imagine that emmet flood and others are very frustrated.

qualification or a disqualification from being a -- >> we want to play one bit of sound that maggie haberman of the new york times says is part of the giuliani interview that most gone smack gobsmacksf the administration. >> if they doivanka, which i doubt they will, the whole country will turn on them. they're going after his daughter. >> what about his son-in-law? talked about him. >> i guess jared is a fine man, you know that. but men are, you know, disposable, but a fine woman like ivanka, come on. >> got to be a quick response. what do you make of that? >> i think this administration has a really hard time with the concept that no one is above the law. not daughters, not women, not men, not disposable men, no one is above the law. ivanka trump did something that warrants, you know, criminal investigation, she's going to be investigated. >> it is also not 1950, you know. >> thank you. >> women are supposed to be treated the same. >> and john is not disposable. >> that disposable. jeffrey, jack, patty, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> there are shifting storie

in "the new york times," not just today by matt and mike, but in early march, i think it was maggie haberman and mike schmidt who wrote the first piece when he went into the oval office, interviewing for the job, there was a lot of speculation what that was, which triggered a whole lot of reaction from the folks in the busch iv 3 orbit who viewed emmet flood as almost a savior. he was involved in two of the most precarious congressional and legal investigations that george w. bush, my old boss, dealt with in his second term. the attorney general scandal that involved the white house. questions went all the way up to the level of the president, and the pat tilghman investigation. i know it will take everyone back in time. but just to understand emmet flood, when we talk about him taking a more adversarial posture, it has nothing to do with temperament. he is known to be one of the most sort of soft-spoken and temperamentally sort of elegant and distinguished people in sort of republican legal circles in washington. and that was certainly his reputation in the bush white house. but he takes a

of the really revealing comments that rudy giuliani made this week was to "the new york times" maggie haberman, which is that he really misses on tv. he hadn't been on tv in a while. he was kind of laying under the radar, especially after the trump campaign ended, and he missed the attention. that's a big reason why he says and does these things is because he craves it. >> well he got attention, the wrong kind, i'd say, because he was america's mayor not too long ago, maybe too long ago. this is the language. i don't know. it's in mob movies you hear this kind of talk. you hear it everywhere in the street, but you don't expect to hear it from the president's lawyer. excuse me. we keep forgetting that he's the president's lawyer, one of his lawyers. the other guy is michael cohen. i don't know what to make of this. your thoughts? >> it is like a mob movie. but another indication natasha is absolutely right about all this. this tone is set by the president who has dumbed down the level of language and the rhetoric and the tactics. it feels like we're on a sixth grade playground so often. >> in a

i told maggie haberman very early on, in fact, i went tojohn kelly at the first of august.ame to work on the campaign on the 14th of august and i left in the fourth... you got fired. oh no, absolutely not. in fact ask, john kelly, john dadd, i went to those guys on the first of august and they went to the president said "hey, when reince leftjohn kelly's coming in, i'll take off". you called ivanka dumb as a brick. who? ivanka, "dumb as a brick." is that right? i can neither confirm or deny. i haven't read fire and fury. donjr, "treasonous behavior." but i did correct that later said that was for manafort. donjr is a real patriot. he's a good guy. it's hard to come back. i love him but it was a dumb... if you've fallen out with the trump family members it's hard to come back. i don't think so. i think the president is a very practical guy. is he an imperfect vessel for revolution? you know, donald trump is a unique combination of characters. he's an entrepreneur. i think people forget that he didn't come from corporate america. he didn't come from big corporations. he's a s

. >> one of the targets, so that you and your colleague maggie haberman report, we want the concentrationus the president's credibility. and i think we win that. people get that, mr. giuliani said, adding he also hoped the justice department opened a criminal investigation into mr. comey for perjury and his role in the disclosures to "the new york times" last year about his encounters with the president that prompted mueller's appointment. this is what rudy's friends and giuliani call the original sin. you've been tough on comey at times. what do you think of this as a legal strategy? >> i think rude hayes been watching too much fox and friends. outside of that world, there is no fair rational person that looks at jim comey and looks at donald trump and thinks donald trump is the one telling the truth about those encounters. that is beside the fact jim comey wrote memos about them that would be very serious evidence that would back up his side of the case. and told associates of his exactly what happened. so, it's not just comey's word. >> and all of them are witnesses in the mueller prob

maggie haberman had an interesting point in the last hour which is it might not be that odd knowing thes -- relationship between donald trump and his father is for him not to go to his father unless there was something that he won out of a meeting. that there was something positive to report that it's not necessarily the relationship that you go -- he would go to his father with something just inconclusive. >> when i was working with the president, i would never take something unsubstantiated to him it's a waste of his time. and he didn't like it. i would imagine nobody knew that better than his own children who grew up with that attitude in their father. i always found this meeting to be a bad idea. i always knew it needed to be investigated down to the again je genetic code. i think we're there and we found out there is nothing there. i mean it's did -- it was a bad look. probably a bad idea. but now we know. and even though the special counsel might have some more information about it i don't think it's going to end up going anywhere. >> maria if it was just a bad idea for a meeting,