but you look at the pulitzer prize that maggie haberman and others have won, that "the washington postme of the break through investigative work. it's not like the -- and saying i demand all these corrections, you know, when they had that meeting over the summer. it's not like when donald trump came to the editorial board when he was elected president, to say what a jewel the "new york times" was. we know that donald trump has been anonymous source for stories over the decades, and he has praised woodward. anonymity isn't just granted all over the place. it's really thoughtfully handled. >> all right, guys, stand by. thank you both for being here. >>> after the break, when is a fox news interview really just a pep rally. we're going to talk about that when we come back. 'cause that's no ordinary family. that's your family. which is why you didn't grab just any cheese. you picked up new kraft expertly paired cheddar and swiss for eggs. beat that! kraft. family greatly. (door bell rings) it's ohey. this is amazing. with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay? even when i was

joining us tonight, "new york times" white house correspondent maggie haberman. maggie is also a cnn political analyst. so is the legendary investigative reporter carl bernstein. maggie, if i can begin with you, listen, the president here clearly wants to find out as quickly as possible who wrote this op-ed. cnn reporting that the white house at least has said it has narrowed down the list of suspects, similar to your reporting from last night. i'm curious. what have you been learning about that, and do you believe they're actually narrowing down this list, or as jeff was saying earlier, trying to distract from the message of this op-ed? >> i don't think it's trying to distract from the message. i think they're trying to please the president. the president has raised the question of treason, as you noted, not just publicly, but in private conversations with several people. it is not treason, to your point for a variety of reasons. but, look, i think that you are seeing, as we often see, the split between this president and the presidency. not just in the fact of w

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but right now on the phone cnn political analyst, "new york times" white house correspondent maggie habermanggie, what more do you know about the scope of what the mueller team had been talking about with cohen? >> my understanding, anderson, is a pretty wide range i think has covered areas related to the campaign. has covered areas related to president trump's business. remember, michael cohen was not on the campaign. he was not welcome by most of trump's campaign advisers. but he certainly has a window into a bunch of the trump campaign -- excuse me, the trump business activities. among them a trump tower moscow project that he himself had tried to get off the ground at one point that was scuttled at the beginning of 2016. but you know, typically speaking in these kinds of meetings that witnesses have had with the special counsel's office there have not been limits certainly on the kinds of things that they're being asked about, and michael cohen i think can provide a variety of information. the question is going to be whether cohen finds it -- excuse me, mueller finds it valuable. whether

just the law, just the facts, maggie haberman. again, though, i think democrats are going to try to make this political, make it about abortion and health care and the russia investigation. >> they would argue certainly on abortion and the health care that that's not political, that this is about policy and what underpinnings of both of those precedents could be underturned. there has been a lot of anxious filled about what could happen in terms of a narrowing of abortion rights if brett kavanaugh is confirmed. all of this said -- and i think that's what's going to happen -- the likelihood of brett kavanaugh not getting confirmed barring some huge unforeseen -- and mr. dean would know more about this than i do -- unanticipated event taking place over the next up with days, the white house feels pretty confident he'll get through and with some democratic votes, i just think you'll see democrats hold out to force republicans show their hands. >> and that like neil gorsuch will be a huge crowning achievement for the president. >> it

make rogers was not talking about hurricane florence there, but we'll get into all of that when maggie habermane correspondent for the "new york times" and cnn political analyst joins us. maggie, happy to see you safe and sound in a studio, as we look at the split screen here. >> yeah. >> okay, so, let's talk about what's really getting a lot of attention. and that is, president trump revisiting fema's response and his administration response to hurricane maria, what was a disaster, an abject failure. 3,000 pile died. eerily, almost the exact same number as on 9/11. yet, the president tweets this. we got a-pluses for our recent hurricane work in texas and florida and did an unappreciated great job in puerto rico. even though an inaccessible island, with very poor electricity and a totally incompetent mayor of san juan. we are ready for the big one that is coming. so maggie, look, we now know from the bob woodward book, from the anonymous op-ed, from your reporting from the past two years that the people around the president don't feel comfortable when he doesn't represent reality. it makes them

president, i can't take it anymore. >> dana bash, thank you, maggie haberman as well.xt, to that point, rosenstein's future up in the air, the president's attorney is already talk about a quote, time out for the mueller investigation. time-out, his word. we'll hear that and get reaction from a member of the senate intelligence committee in just a moment. the day after chemo shouldn't mean going back to the doctor just for a shot. with neulasta onpro patients get their day back... to be with family, or just to sleep in. strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection. in a key study neulasta reduced the risk of infection from 17% to 1%, a 94% decrease. neulasta onpro is designed to deliver neulasta the day after chemo and is used by most patients today. neulasta is for certain cancer patients receiving strong chemotherapy. do not take neulasta if you're allergic to it or neupogen (filgrastim). an incomplete dose could increase infection risk. ruptured spleen, sometimes fatal as well as serious lung problems, allergic reactions, kidney injuries and capillary leak s

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with me now, "the new york times" correspondent maggie haberman and dana bash.what does the white house gain by having this or dragging it out on thursday? if the president wants to fire rosenstein, he probably could have done it by phone today. is it coincidence it's going it be on thursday, the same day as the kavanaugh hearing? is. >> first of all, you're right. it's not as if the president is afraid to fire people from afar. remember how james comey was fired. he sent one of his aides over to the fbi. comey was across the country. >> he got fired on tv basically. >> he got fired on tv. exactly. that is certainly not a concern of this president. the biggest concern is as jim is laying out and as we've been reporting here at cnn all day, about the conflicting and confusing advice and points of view that the president and his top aides have about rosenstein. do they think that rosenstein said what he said, that "the new york times" reported on friday about wanting to tape the president, about the 25th amendment? probably. yes, they do. you know, the whole quest

. >> let's bring in maggie haberman. before we get to all of the substance of this and there is so much, very quickly on process, to be clear, you didn't know the op-ed is coming. there is a line between the editorial and news department you're in, are you as surprised as the rest of us when this his? >> if not more so. there is a wall between the departments. that's how it should work and i continue not to know. what i know is that the sentiment expressed in this op-ed is consistent with what we heard from our own sources over the last two years now. and frankly what we heard from some people in the campaign before that and in the transition about what was the president understood about the job. you're seeing between this and the woodward book in a way that we have not before. i don't know if they will discover the identity of this person, this is certainly a news worthy moment. i don't believe they will do this unless it is someone senior enough to qualify for such blanket anonymity, but this is all a piece of a portra

. >> and then maggie haberman who has been doing reporting over the last 12 hours, and i want to draw your attention to something you said last night. fatalistic. >> the worst could happen is what he says, and the president is focussed on what thursday will be like, and he is aware of how this looks on television is going to be incredibly important, how people receive it, how dr. ford seems. he has sounded -- anxious may not be the right word but certainly aware for the last two weeks or week and a half that professor ford could tell a compelling story and that could make it hard for republican senators, many whom have said we are going to vote anyway, it may make it harder for them to do that. he was privately unimpressed with the interview kavanaugh did, and kavanaugh was not forceful in that interview. >> i want to pick up on the part that the president not being happy with kavanaugh's performance in that interview. is there a sense of how much direction may have come from the white house prior to that for kavanaugh, of how much the president may have weighed in especially if we ar

maggie haberman is roaring trump has been anxious behind the scenes and at had times had intensely angry discussions with mcconnell. what are your thoughts? >>. >> there's always tomorrow. i don't know what his plans are this weekend. i think you know, i think at this stage, and i'm pleased today as someone who has not been involved at all with the nitty gritty of the discussion who is right and who is wrong and he said, she said. i just think that institutions have meaningfulness institutions survive on process. and i think today ends whether you're a he said or she said or somewhere in between, i think that the reassertion of a process that seems reasonable to people that aren't experts like this panel here that you would do for investigation and maybe it might be inconclusive. maybe there's a smoking gun, maybe there's not a smoking gun, not just help the senate and obviously not just help the judiciary but also probably the fbi. i was taken with the aba statement last night whether it meant anything -- whether it had impact or not. >> american bar association. >> the american bar ass

maggie haberman raises the possibility that trump himself put it out.pril, does that ring true to you? >> yes. this president is keenly aware of what's going on and this president has his hands in the mix at this white house. anything that they do, he's very much aware of. and he orchestrates, particularly as he is close to white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders, from what we're hearing. so this president definitely puts it out. then they come back and say, oh, oh, i didn't like that. it's all about the optics. if plays well, they'll embrace it. if it doesn't, they get upset and very mad and they'll retaliate. >> somehow things don't usually work that way. noah, ami and "the national inqui inqui inquirer" were in the news again with dirt that they kept on donald trump for decades and now we person that he wanted to buy it back. >> we saw some of this in the tape released with michael cohen and donald trump, what happens if david pecker is hit by a bus, how do we ensure those secrets stay safe. they looked to do a big buyback campaign. it was

joining us now is maggie haberman, the white house correspondent for the "new york times" and a cnn politicalhi. >> this is just strange. we know the president loves playing golf. it was labor day. it was a holiday. the press pool had all assembled into their motorcade. he got in the car. he was dressed for a golf outing. he sat there for a while and then got out and went back into the white house. what happened? >> maybe he had the wrong shoes. i genuinely don't know the answer to this riddle. it's very strange for him to do what he did. it's strange for them to pack everyone in cars and then get out of them and call the whole thing off and say we're done for the day. the speculation is anything from some kind of military significance to anything related to the mueller case. i can't imagine anything related to the mueller case on labor day. what i think was clear from his tweeting and what i have heard from people around the white house is he is rather unhappy these days. you had one week of michael cohen guilty plea and paul manafort verdict followed by a week of tributes to john mccain tha

this is maggie haberman who retweeted this saying, a local reporter experiencing the president up close for the first time. brett kellman wrote, trump's briefings in north carolina was surreal. first nobody briefed him. politicians mostly just thanked him, second he praised local officials for their talent. third, he said we have the strongest economy ever. fourth, he asked about lake norman where his golf course is. so, sometimes those of us who cover something every day become process blind, and sometimes it takes a journalist covering it as a local story to say, wait a minute, there is no briefing at this briefing. >> a thousand percent. it's always interesting when you see local reporters and people new to the beat sort of witnessing the president in the flesh for the first time and reacting to this. these are people who have spent now the last couple of days on the ground talking to people who have been so devastated, whose homes have been destroyed, will be spending the next weeks and months putting the pieces back together. and as he was walking through these communities today, i

. >> maggie haberman, enthuse fth for sharing your interesting story with us. >>> brett kavanaugh was asked pointblank if he ever committed sexual assault. >> since you became a legal adult you have ever made unwanted requests for sexual favors or committed any verbal or physical harassment or assault of any nature? >> no. >> we will talk with the senator that posed that question and ask why she posed that question next. decades of obsession. taken from the souls of artists. we confess. we stole everything we could. from everything we've ever mastered. and put it here. the all-new lexus es. every curve. every innovation. every feeling. a product of mastery. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. natural healthy looking teeth are white. natural enamel, dentin, which is that second layer of the tooth is yellow. consumption of very acidic foods can wear away your enamel. once they start wearing down, your tooth is going to look yellower, more dull. i recommend pronamel toothpaste because it helps protect and strengthen your enamel. it's going to make them more resistant to the acid ero

but point to, for you, you and maggie haberman at the "new york times" are the first journalists in my memory that first started talking about president versus presidency. what do you mean in this case? >> there's a couple ways to interpret it, but in this particular case, things happen at the white house on two different tracks. donald trump wants something to happen and the administration is working in a different direction. in this case almost immediately, the president is looking for this leaker. find him and fire him. certainly there is an effort in the white house to do that. but there is no suggestion they are going to do anything at the department of justice. the department of justice is not going to comment publicly one way or the other, but people we've talked to around the white house does not suggest that the department of justice is going to step in. there's nothing illegal here, there's no classified information being disclosed. therefore, they're going to try to slow walk this and take the steps the president wants. so many times we've seen that with russia where trump s

sending out tweets on this storm, maybe later than some of his advisers would like, people like maggie habermant he is focused on the storm, something you want for a president heading into something like this. >> the government working with news media, both local and national, is probably the biggest deterrent, so you need to let people know what's hitting them over the head with what's coming, for immediate preparations and to outline how things could be worse than what you're seeing in the forecast with regard to storm surge. this is the kind of preparation that even some viewers say, wow, this is too much and maybe it doesn't live up to what the storm actually is. but being that aware on the front end is what prevents what we saw in places like hurricane katrina in new orleans or with maria in puerto rico where you're simply caught blindsided by what the power of the storm is. so there is no question this is kind of by the playbook how you want to position yourself as any government official. >> so abby, listen, we've been wondering what they learned from what was considered in puerto rican

. >> maggie haberman of "the new york times" says it just seems like the why not me caucus is growing larger to your point david, we have had a school of executives where the guessing game has revolved around iger, howard schultz, even dimon in some instances. >> that is true. you mentioned the key business leaders, iger went fairly far along in exploring the idea before of course the fox deal has precluded that he's going to stay at that company through the election in 2020 interesting comments, though i think eamon gets it right in the sense you wonder whether dimon would have felt comfortable knowing this was going to get out saying something along these lines, even as little as six months to a year ago another guy from queens, that being jamie, in addition to our president. there had been of course as you know speculation in the past about would he consider being treasury secretary or, to your point, would he ever consider trying a run for national office in that way. as for dimon, he's described himself as barely hanging on as a democrat for years and going on to extoll all the v

and then there's someone you and i both know, maggie haberman of "the new york times," "trump is sounding somewhat fatalistic about kavanaugh in private discussions. annoyed by the interview and talking repeatedly about needing to see how the hearing goes before knowing what can happen next." so, phil, as you've been reporting, some cracks in the armor here. >> yeah. certainly, brian. i think one thing going on here, you can't separate the supreme court nomination fight from the midterm elections that are now just six weeks away in november. the republicans face an enthusiasm gap with the democrats who all polling evidence shows are much more enthusiastic about voting and what trump and other republican leaders are doing right now in these days is to use the fight over brett kavanaugh as a rallying cry for the conservative base. something that can unite republican voters, trump voters, give them a common enemy. in this case the media and the democrats who they believe are running a smear campaign against brett kavanaugh. and give them a reason to feel energized and united. that's why i th

a point, what about the 3,000 articles written every day in the "washington post," politico, maggie habermansources documenting the exact same thing. >> yeah, jump in. >> i would be the anonymous source that drops the next letter if i was a foreign adversaries. use it as an opportunity. you're worried about that op-ed? did you know there is another op-ed out? >> and if the times rejects you, get that published, this is the media world we live in. >>ut it on the internet. point to it. >> but the hill would run it, i bet. >> two other points would be that, at some -- at some point i think, i a -- i think the call to investigate it for being treasonous is worse than any of the underlying actions, but i do think it is in a way, if you look at it, kind of a coup. isn't it kind of? >> soft -- >> that's a problem. >> alarming. >> might not be as much of a problem as donald trump himself but that's a problem. >> weigh in? >> yeah. that's terrible. i think there is a soft administrative coup going on. that's not good. >> does he grasp that? >> no! no. and that's -- that's why ultimately as much as i

. >> and i do think that if this is true, maggie haberman is good, "new york times" reporter saying kelly's, going around affidavits, lie detector test. he's not being the adult in the room. this isn't how you deal with political scrutiny. they can make the case this is

there in the tweet, this is a bit of a difference between, you know, our colleagues and friend maggie habermanrun independently. >> right. >> different rules apply. and so what does that do? why did this person go to mag any or someone who covers "the times" on a daily basis and writes with a lot of credibility and say, hey, i have a story with you. >> we don't -- the truth of the matter is this person could be as far as we know a long-time source for "the new york times" or cnn or "the washington post" and just wanted to take one more step -- let me ask you. do you see this drumbeat that we have heard this week and hearing since the beginning of the trump presidency, the idea that the president is not up to the task and he's surrounded by individuals who are helping the country stay on the upright? do you think this is long term anymore more damaging to the president than it has been up until now? >> probably not. here's where i landed on this. this author is clearly worried about stability. this op-ed doesn't make anything more stable because there's no answers in it other than really trying

. >> and i do think that if this is true, maggie haberman is good, "new york times" reporter saying kelly's got his list, he's doing it, going around affidavits, lie detector test. he's not being the adult in the room. this isn't how you deal with political scrutiny. they can make the case this is about national security. i don't see it. i don't see the proof. what national security was betrayed? i don't think that this is the right way to approach it. i think they're only making it worse. >> have we had denial from kelly? >> nope. >> oh, oh, no, i mean about being anonymous? >> yes. >> okay. >> about doing this work, no. >> okay. >> you don't want to go in the general -- >> i say just because you deny stuff, it doesn't mean you didn't do it, again, i think they are relying on the integrity of "the new york times," we don't reveal our sources so whoever it could be, it could be among any of these people -- >> mark felt, deep throat. 30 years. >> yeah. >> he came out originally saying not me, not me. >> dan rather sitting right to my right. we're going to talk to him in moments. >> give him

we have maggie haberman tweeted this, john dowd e-mails other lawyers involved in the trump case and says of manafort, pm has no info on president or campaign. what do you make of that statement? >> certainly the white house and people around to try to spin to say, you know, seriously nothing to worry about here, let's not let the world get worked up. but it is a bit of a curious thing to say here. obviously john dowd was closely involved for a long time. but as a number of other people said both on this panel and for the last day or two, paul manafort was as high as it gets in the campaign. so the idea that he wouldn't have anything new to say is pretty curious indeed. he was the chairman of the campaign for quite some sometime. and directly worked with the top people on the campaign including president trump then candidate trump himself. so of course he has a lot of information. what this specifically means, i'm not really sure. >> and when it comes to this plea, how has that actually weighed in when it comes to the conversations and using this word, impeachment, if at all? >> you

and maggie haberman tweeted on out that former deputy edit are tore for page six recalled trump horseles, his second wife, return two gold lexus cars would telling the news divorcing maples and called her family dumb southerners. is that the kind of information that can bleed outside of trump's state run tv? >> i'm not sure that it even relevance. i mean look at all the other groups that trump has insult that had have had no effect in terms of the hardcore base. veteran, immigrants, americans in general, disabled, on and on and on. what trump is trying to do and what a lot of these books about him accomplish is cover up crime with scandal. trump is in the middle of an extremely federal probe into criminal misdeeds. and what he would like do i think is distract it with things that are not illegal. they may be immoral, but not illegal. and the other thing that all these books accomplish, whether intentionally or not, is to cover up consolidation ever e s. and the most dangerous thing we face is crime, emergence of a one party state that feels like it is boof the law. and if something ma