also today, an exit from the new york times reporter, maggie haberman's upcoming book appeared in the atlantic, and it contains evidence of donald trump's awareness, of his legal, criminal jeopardy involving documents he took to florida. almost exactly one year ago, on september 16th, 2021, maggie haberman interviewed donald trump for her book, in the atlantic she reports that he demurred when i asked if he had taken any documents of note upon departing the white house. nothing of great urgency, no, he said, before mentioning the letters that kim jong-un had sent to, which it showed off to so many oval office visitors, the advisers were concerned that he was being careless with sensitive material. >> you are able to take those with you? i asked. he kept talking, seeming to register my surprise, and said, no, i think that's in the archives, but, most of it is in the archives, but the kim jong-un letters, we have incredible things. >> in that quote as quoted by maggie haberman -- he has kim jong-un's letters with them at home. , and after donald trump notices may hit remains surprise, h

the way that it is reported by maggie haberman, it appears the donald trump realizes, in mid answer, that he does not have permission to have these. but we know that he does have those at that time. >> exactly, lawrence, a crime requires two things, a bad act, and a bad criminal intent. what she is reporting is that there is a bad criminal intent as early as a year ago, september of last year. he knew about those documents and the like. today, we are learning more evidence, because trump turns out to have incredible things, not just in his storage room at mar-a-lago, but at his office in south lawrence. seven top secret documents, 17 other documents, other classified information. if i had seven folders in my justice department office, top secret ones, in my office, i would be in jail. just for having those documents at my office, they need to be in a sensitive compartment informations facility in order to look at those documents. you can't just bring it around, certainly not hear office in florida. remember, it's not just that he was found with his documents in those offices. these d

sharing the biline is maggie haberman, and she joins me now.stephen miller and brian jack? >> anderson, they are two of at least a dozen people around donald trump either in his white house or in the campaign who have been subpoenaed this week. and we are learning more about what the subpoena is seeking information about. it relates in part to the plot to install so-called fake elector slates on january 6th when the electoral college vote was being certified. but it also includes information requests related to former president trump's fundraising vehicle, save america pac. these subpoenas, anderson, have gone to people far and wide. junior and senior. it is still not clear exactly what investigators are looking for. >> do we know if miller or jack will cooperate? >> i assume that they will, but we don't faux know the answer tt yet. neither would comment either through themselves or their lawyer. it remains to be seen. not cooperating with a subpoena request has generally been what most people around trump have done. >> you said they have gone

in reporting provided to cnn from a forthcoming book by "the new york times" reporter maggie haberman, trump repeatedly told aides he would refuse to leave the white house. >> this is a fraud on our country, this is an embarrassment to our country. >> reporter: haberman's book reporting that trump told an aide i'm not going to leave, and saying to another we're never leaving how can you leave when you won an election? trump's insistence he would not leave the white house has never before been reported and shines light on the chaotic days . in the aftermath of the 2020 election, trump seemed to recognize the loss. comforted one adviser saying we did our best. and told junior press aides i thought we had it. seemingly almost embarrassed by the outcome. >> if the college does elect president-elect joe biden are you not going to leave the building? >> certainly i will. certainly i will. you know that. th i think there will be a lot of things happening between now and january 20th. >> reporter: but trump's mood shifted and he was heard saying he would not leave. and he was overheard asking

and maggie haberman also reported that recent comment by trump pokes yet another hole in his team's defense. >> if you are the president of the united states, you can declassify just by saying it is declassified. even by thinking about it. because you are sending it to mar-a-lago or to wherever you are sending it. and it doesn't have to be a process. there can be a process, but there doesn't have to be. you are the president, you make that decision. so when you send it, it is declassified. i declassified everything. >> he did say because you are sending it on to mar-a-lago, that seemed to indicate that he had intended to send the boxes of material to his private club and home whereas there has been this line from people around him that this was all an accident, things were just shipped out. so they have tried leaning in on the idea that this was some kind of accident but he seemed to suggest that it was intentional. >> and so some of our favorite reporters and friends are with us. ashley parker, jonathan lemire, and also charlie sykes is also back. you know, charlie, i was reminded, and mag

if they're literally pressing send to maggie haberman who is also looking at that?ranians? isis? we have no idea. >> jesse: the chinese know what we are doing before we know. you can say the ccp is running this government therefore of course they know. >> jesse: thank you very much. >> you bet. >> jesse: as always monica. >> guy here. >> you go where? >> harvard law school. >> you got into harvard law? >> , what like it's hard? >> jesse: hard is our nation's oldest college. also the most prestigious and often tops the ranking in u.s. news and world reports best universities but harvard doesn't always get it right. no one is perfect. what do joy reid and the unabomber have in common? they both got degrees from harvard. which is why no one should be surprised to hear about newest hire. according to axios, brian stelter who was just fired from cnn for performance issues has just been hired to teach media studies. already telling "primetime" that brian stelter doesn't require the students wear a mask in the classroom but every student is wearing a mask anyway because th

. >> new reporting provided to cnn by the fourth book by maggie haberman with revelations on former presidentrump's final days in the white house. christiane holmes has all the new details and there are bombshells here. >> there are. according to maggie's reporting, in the final days trump insisted he would not be leaving the white house. this left aides confused and uncertain as to what he would do next. new revelations on the final days of former president donald trump's presidency. in reporting provide to cnn from a book by "the new york times" reporter maggie haberman trump told aides he would refuse to leave the white house. >> this is a fraud on the american public. this is an embarrassment to our country. we were getting ready to win this election. frankly, we did win this election. >> haberman's book, "confidence man the making of donald trump and the breaking of america" reports trump told one aide, quote, i'm just not going to leave. and saying to another, quote, we're never leaving how can you leave when you won an election. trump's insistence he would not leave the white house has

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. >> know that would be -- >> the similar issue with this whole problem maggie haberman's reporting on trump's purported wealth -- >> let me tell you what the reporting is because this is an exclusive detail, maggie haberman's new book, the making of donald trump and the breaking of america once received a least payment entirely and gold bars, and you are calling this the trumpiest thing that you have ever heard. [laughs] >> it really is the trumpiest thing i've ever heard. like so many trumpy things, you really have to question the details and wonder, did this actually happen? and if it did actually happen, did it happen the way it is reported? or at least the former president people claim. and lastly, who was involved? so think about who might have 1000 pounds of gold hanging around. because that's what a few dozen bars of gold way. and there weren't a $15 million. so the other question is, who has made $15 million that he wants to hide in gold bars? well we know what kind of people want to hide things like that. it's people who are as donald trump said about immigrants, drug dealer.

let's bring maggie haberman from "the new york times" into the conversation. you've covered donald trump as a private citizen, as president and now post-presidency. letitia james essentially said the whole thing was a scam and the whole thing he values most, all those buildings, all those golf courses, all those entities that have the trump name usually in big gold letters on them. >> right, john. it was a really sweeping, i don't want to use the word indictment because that's a legal term but it was a condemnation of donald trump's business practices over a very long period of time. remember, he didn't just start engaging in these practices over the period of time she's talking about. you know, he's been in business for a long time. i think a key point of what she is saying here, john, is there were tangible things that people could see that looked real. he's saying that he just massively inflated the value to turn them into something else as he was dealing with lenders or banks and so forth. this is going to drag out for a while, john. this is a civil suit.

in reporting provided to cnn from a forthcoming book by "new york times" reporter maggie haberman trump repeatedly told aide he would refuse to leave the house. haberman's book says trump told one aide, "i am not going to leave." he quizzed everyone around him about how to stay in power. among those he reportedly asked, the valet who delivered a diet coke when trump pressed a red button on his oval office desk. ( laughter ). >> trevor: oh, man, that is so much pressure. to put on your soda guy. he asks the valet, "soda boy, i need you to make me the emperor of america. how do i do it?" "i just got a coke zero, man." you know, if i'm honest, i think it is lesweird to get advice from your diet coke valet and more weird to have a diet coke valet. i mean, once you've got him, you might as well get his input. "what do you think about it, how to overtake a country." the real travesty to me is trump didn't follow through with his plan of just not leaving. that would have been exciting. yeah, i would have loved to have seen the f.b.i. chasing trump around the white house like an episode of "sco

we're getting more details from the new book "confidence man," by maggie haberman. be our guest next tuesday, and i'll be asking her about all the pretty upsetting stuff she learned about the ex-president, like how once at a dinner in 2017, the former president saw staffers of color at the white house and assumed apparently, the former president was having dinner with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, hen he turned to their non-white staffers and said, "why don't you get the food?" again, pretty terrible. but to be fair, that's what he says in every situation. ( as general ) "sir, north korea has launched a long-range missile test. what are your orders? uh-huh. yes, sir. yes sir. okay, two 10-piece family buckets, and tell them to fill the gravy to the top this time." yes, sir, yes, sir." not surprisingly, the former president also said bad things about women. he reportedly referred to german chancellor angela merkel as "that b." wow, he knew the german word for chancellor is "bundes-kansslerin?" ( laughter ) ( applause ) that's impressive. ( applause ) >> louis: wow.

. >> the issue of this whole problem, maggie haberman's reporting on trump's purported wealth -- >> let me say with the reporting is, and then i'm gonna get, or because isn't exclusive detail. meg haberman's new book, the making of donald trump in the breaking of america, including the trump once received a lease payment entirely in gold bars. you are calling this the trumpiest thing you have ever heard. >> well, it really is the trumpiest thing i've ever heard. and alike so many trumpy things, you really have to question details and wonder, did it is actually happen? and if it actually happened, did it happen the way it was reported, or at least the former presidents people play it. and lastly, who was involved? so think about who might have 1000 pounds of gold hanging around? because that is what a few dozen bars of ghouls way. and they're worth 15 billion dollars. so the other question is, who has made $15 million that he wants to hide in gold bars? well we know what kind of people want to hide things like that. it's people who are, as donald trump said about immigrants, drug dealers

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maggie haberman said he described florida governor desantis as fat, phony and whiny and claiming creditelping desantis to be governor. there's a simmering attitude between them. where do you see this and how do you see this playing out? >> i have been wondering for sometime. any republican going toe to toe with donald trump gets a nickname, branded unfavorably by donald trump and we did not know what donald trump's nickname insult would be for ron desantis and we have a much clearer sense of how donald trump would go after desantis. tired jeb. >> lying ted. >> have been able to get out from under the characterization that donald trump gives them. i have lock believed it is a matter of time and trump will hold the fire to do the same thing to ron desantis as every other republican to test his meddle against him. it strikes me that republicans have not learned the lesson of how donald trump treats people who dare to go up against him. >> when will republicans tiptoeing around the school yard bully and realize that straw men are always weak? the degree that serve afraid to take on trump di

"new york times" reporter maggie haberman writes in her upcoming book that former president trump told white house. haberman reports that in the immediate aftermath of the election, trump seemed to recognize his loss, but his mood quickly changed and he told one aide, quote, i'm just not going to leave. >>> torrential rains have pummeled the chicago area triggering flash floods, submerges roads and homes across the city. conditions causing real problems on the new turf at soldier field. the bears took it in stride and won the home opener. >>> a california man accused of murdering 8-year-old sophia mason has been captured after six months on the run. daunte jackson has been charged with murder and child abuse. ♪ freedom ♪ ♪ freedom ♪ >> the queen of soul under watch by the fbi. cnn learned the bureau kept a file on aretha franklin decades ago. there was concern about her possible ties to what they called radical groups during the civil rights era. the fbi determined there was no evidence franklin had such connections. >>> 19-year-old carlos alcaraz of spain is the u.s. open men's single

. >> this is according to new reporting by maggie haberman called "confidence man" the making of donaldnd the breaking of america. christian holmes joins us from washington. kristen, yeah, i had the impression that president trump didn't want to leave the white house but now we hear it from his mouth? >> well, that's right alison and victor. we had this idea but these are brand-new details about the final days of trump's presidency and it just goes to show you how chaotic that post election period was. now, according to haberman's reporting, in the immediate aftermath of the 2020 election, he seemed and that being former president trump to recognize that he had lost the election. he was even asking advisors what went wrong but then at some point his mood shifted and that is when he informed aids he would not be leaving the white house. according to haberman, he said -- he told one aide i'm just not going to leave. he told another we're never leaving, how can you leave when you won an election and he was even over heard asking the head of the republican national committee why would we le

, apparently, he gets it out on the links, because we just learned from the "new york times'" maggie habermaneen out of office, a rotating cast of aides has been tasked with following him around the golf course and giving him positive reinforcement from twitter. ( laughter ) ( applause ) that is just sad! that is so patrettic. ( as aide ) "uh, don't worry about that federal investigation, mr. president, 'cuz looks like @q-patriot-linda-845 says, 'you have much stronger arms than president brandon, hashtag-maga, hashtag-not-my-littlemermaid.'" >> louis: wow, wow, wow, really? # >> stephen: speaking of people who flatter the former president, vladimir putin. today, vlad announced a major escalation in his invasion of ukraine in a rare address directly to the russian people. putin gave his address from what appears to be russia's basement rec room where he keeps his collection of used phones from 1987. ( laughter ) his big announcement was that russia was calling up roughly 300,000 reservists, including men and women aged 18 to 60 years old. that might change the energy on the battlefield: ( as

according to reporting obtained by cnn from a book by maggie haberman. trump was once paid for a business transaction with gold bars wheeled into his trump tower apartment. and she reports he faced more precarious positions than realized. >> author of the trump's three generations of a builder and a president are here. jeremy, tell us more about what we've learned here in these revelations. >> it's interesting, especially on the heels of what we're hearing from the new york attorney general in terms of the president overvaluing, according to that attorney general, hundreds of assets by billions of dollars. now we're learning of several additional practices by the president, including some colorful ones like the one john described former president trump in his business dealings was allegedly paid for several leases in cash and in one instance gold bars, gold bricks to cover a lease on a parking garage in manhattan that trump owned at the time. according to haberman, trump directed the chief operating officer of trump organization and former security guard

in a new tell-all from the "new york times'" maggie haberman, the former president tries to set the recordout his behavior during the insurrection, saying: "i was not watching television on january 6th." really? really? ( laughter ) you're accused of inciting an angry mob to storm the capitol to prevent the peaceful transfer of power for the first in our nation's history, and that's the part of the testimony you're taking issue with? ( as criminal ) "your honor, i stand here accused of killing that drifter last september, but i categorically deny i was wearing white pants. it was after labor day. i'm a murderer, not a monster." ( applause ) how dare you-- how-- how dare you!" ( laughter ) the former president also said other things to haberman, including this anecdote about running for president: "the question i get asked more than any other question: 'if you had it to do again, would you have done it?'" okay, that's clearly a lie. the question he gets asked more than any other is "do you want fries with that?" the answer is yes. ( cheers and applause ) ♪ ♪ ♪ he conditioned: "the answer is

let's talk about this with "new york times" senior political reporter maggie haberman and trump white house communications alicia griffin. maggie, mike lindell of all people has been a central figure in trump spreading these lies about the 2020 election. what do you see as the significance of this subpoena? >> there is a could things. mike lindell has been at the center of this encouraging the idea trump could be reinstated to office which is not possible and it's really important to note that because it shows how extreme what he's talking about is. number one, this shows the doj is very focused on people who were trying to get trump to or trying to work with trump at trump's desire to subvert the results of the 2020 election but this particular subpoena seems to have ties to local officials. this is not just about quote unquote fake electors as we knew it to be. this seems to go in a different direction. i think we need to note for people, it doesn't mean chargers are imminent but there is an active investigate on going into a new area we haven't seen before. >> i wish we could say i

let's bring in political analyst and senior political correspondent for "the new york times" maggie haberman. her new book comes out on october 4th. maggie, it's obviously not the first time something that trump or his lawyers have said publically is being tested in court, but i wonder what you think the stakes are in this case? >> so in this case, brianna, i think the stakes are pretty clear, which this is the hand picked special master who donald trump's team wanted and he sounds skeptical of things they've been saying all week, not just in this decision that came down yesterday but in a conference earlier this week he sounded very eyebrow raising about their claims. the special master was -- they have privately described this as a first step toward a possible eventual challenge of the fbi search on trump's house. it's not going well. so when the special master is making it clear you can't say things outside of court you're not demonstrating here. that's a problem. i think this is what we saw after the november 2020 election where donald trump's lawyers would make claims about widespread f

the precise date of the meeting is not clear, and he was not working for tru report from maggie haberman, trump thanked hirschmann for the discussion but was noncommittal if he would return the documents. he has testified before the january 6th committee and has been subpoenaed for the investigation into efforts to overturn the election. let's bring in kyle cheney, and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade, good morning to you both. what is the significance of, he did warn donald trump that he should not take documents from the white house, that he might be violating the law. >> if that's the case, that's the origin of almost everything here which is that donald trump knew, had in his head the knowledge that what he was doing was potentially wrong and a foul of the law. and so the questions about his state of mind, what did he know about what was in the documents, whether he had the right to take them, and lawyers, almost like the january 6th investigation, don't do x, y, and z, and he goes and does it anyway, that tells you a lot about what prosecutors, what criminal investigators may be

. >> there's new reporting today from our friend maggie haberman at the "new york times" that one of trump's lawyers, the end of last year, 2021, eric herschmann, tried to tell him and did have a conversation with him about the seriousness of keeping government documents and classified government documents, at his home. so he knew. obviously, that -- >> yeah. >> first of all, no one ever made a bigger deal than hillary clinton having some sort of -- mishandling government documents. of course, trump knew. this is our first confirmation there's a conversation warning him not to do this >> it's important to prosecutors because the hardest part of any criminal case for prosecutors is proving that knowledge and intent and if this is, in fact, the testimony from eric herschmann and a jury believes it, you argue, right there he knew he had these documents and when it comes to intent he had a reliable lawyer telling him you cannot hold on to these. you don't have to know the specific law that you broke, but you have to know generally what you're doing is wrong and illegal. if that evidence

. >> joining us now paul callan, senior political analyst maggie haberman and author of the new book titled "confidence man, the making of donald trump and the breaking of america." david gergen. so, paul, obviously this is a big win for the department of justice. does it surprise you what happens next now that they can continue using these classified documents? >> it really doesn't surprise me because this ruling by judge canon that the doj couldn't investigate what was going on with these classified documents was really kind of shocking. i mean sources and methods, spies that we have in other countries. who knows what are affected by these records. and to say the department of justice couldn't look at them was really a surprising ruling. so i think the appellate court decided that this was the right way to go with it, and they left the rest pretty much alone. >> the three-judge panel of the 11th circuit also really lam basted the prior judge, judge canon. i want to read what they said. they said the district court abused its discretion -- explain what that means. >> it's very unusu

] there is another new book about our former president, this one by "new york times" reporter maggie habermanets all the information. according to her book, which is called "confidence man," trump at one point was going to fire his daughter, ivanka and her husband jared with a tweet. fire them over twitter. but his chief of staff john kelly was able to stop him from doing it by waving a kfc drumstick in front of him. [ laughter ] and to tell tossing it across the room. haberman writes that he was racist. he assumed staffers who weren't white were waiters. he was homophobic, transphobic, had problems dealing with female leaders of other countries. he called angela merkel a bitch. the first time he met britain's then-prime minister theresa may, he said to her, "some people are pro-life, some people are pro-choice. imagine if some animals with tattoos raped your daughter and she got pregnant?" and then he asked her about the windmills near his golf course in ireland. that's the thing about trump, one thing he is, is a great conversationalist. [ laughter ] according to this book, everyone who wor

there's another new book about donald trump, this one by maggie haberman of the "new york times."fter trump realized the election was over, he told his staff his plan which was "i'm just not going to leave the white house." it's like when you try to tell a 5-year-old it's time to leave disneyland, he's just like no, i'm not going. [ laughter ] fortunately, the oval office is oval. so you can't really pile furniture up against the door. but how would he see that working? would he and joe biden be roommates? i mean -- [ laughter ] op one hand it's treason. on the other hand great idea for i accommodate show, really. [ laughter ] trump had an interesting weekend. he took an unannounced trip to washington that fueled all sorts of speculation online. he flew there in golf shoes and a trench coat. and then was seen driving around his golf course with no golf clubs on the cart. [ laughter ] then he had some kind of on-course meeting with a bunch of guys, most of whom we don't know. whatever it was, it must not have been too important because eric was there. [ laughter ] riding up front w

new york times reporter maggie haberman detailing in her new book how trump told one aide, i'm just notto leave, telling another, we are never leaving, how can you leave when you won an election. >> and things are ramping back up for the january six committee, they will be meeting on person on tuesday when they will adjust one of their most consequential questions yet. should they formally request former president donald trump and former vice president mike pence to appear before the committee? >> telling our team that we don't expect either man to testify that they do believe invitation should be extended for the record. and to really show the completeness of the committee's efforts. jessica schneider, cnn washington. >> coverage of a new oil europe picks up after the break. in charles the third's first week of sovereign, beginning with grant's family. a feeling of loss as he shares the public's grief of losing their queen this month. at bath fitter, every quality bath starts with quality people. our consultants help you choose from hundreds of bath options so we fit your style. our st

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it's right at the end of 2021 and back to maggie haberman, trump himself goes through the boxing, they of the materials to the national archives, so, i think that's very incriminating. >> what do you think about sort of the degree of, i mean, i guess trump's hands are always in the proverbial cookie jar, but as you see the high level figures popping up in the multiple criminal investigations, what do you think their degree of alarm is? >> rising. and dramatically. big names, like herschmann coming forward, it's those dozens of subpoenas that went out, a few people having their phones seized. we reported that there's a lot of people in trump's orbit who have gone dark, gone quiet. text chains have gone silent. people who used to work for the former president together. there had been a sense of invisibility, that he managed to escape one political thing after another, and that this suddenly felt different. it feel like the walls were closing in, and it's in georgia, it's in new york, it's of course the department of justice. and there is a sense that the trump circle has grown very, very

. >> there is some news from your colleagues luke broadwater and maker maggie haberman about roger stone texts. i don't have any here, because i think it just published. the news essentially is a tax of roger stone asking, roger stone had been convicted of a jury of extradition of justice and witness tampering. he had been sentenced and that his sentence was commuted before the election and then he was fully pardoned after the election by donald trump. what do your colleagues report about what he was asking for after january 6th? >> so no surprise. he's asking for another pardon. in some of the text messages, he knows that he'd been pardoned before, so he's arguing that this should not be a big deal for donald trump because it's already happened. it should just sort of fly right by the american people and they should be fine with it. and the person he is texting knows that that is true and says, maybe donald trump is the first president to be impeached two times, you can be the first person pardoned by that president's twice. it's absurd on its face but at the same time it does speak to

maggie haberman, you've covered donald trump for a long, long time.d motivate him to keep a document about a foreign government's nuclear secrets. >> wolf, there's still a lot we won't know about what this document is for that matter and what the bulk of these 300 documents that were found over the course of these three things by the justice department were, but there's a range of reasons why donald trump would do something like this. gordon, the former trump senior intelligence official put it very well to my colleagues and me last week that was with donald trump everything is about leverage. what that leverage means to him at any given moment, could it have been that anyone he wanted to use was brag about. he certainly was telling people that last year that these boxes of documents were his. was it something that he had other designs about? i think we're far from knowing that right now, but whatever it was, it was something that he saw as giving him some kind of an edge. >> let me get gloria borger into this conversation. gloria, there were so many

political correspondent at "the new york times" and the author of the upcoming book confidence man, maggie habermane you. you are part of the "new york times" team that had the first reporting on this really huge wave of subpoenas that's gone out over the last few days. what's going on here? >> so it appears to be a couple of things, john. one is it seems to have been an effort by doj to get this done under the wire before the 60-day window before the election. i think that's the timing. the scope of it seems very wide. you talk to lawyers representing people who are receiving these subpoenas. they say there's no rhyme or reason to what's happening. we have reporting that the phones of at least two 2020 trump advisers had their devices seized by search warrant last week, and that appears to relate specifically into the investigation into so-called fake electors. there's also a component where some of these subpoenas, possibly not all, but many of them ask about the creation of save america, which is trump's leadership pac and spending and fund-raising for it, which seems to relate to some of the wo

. >> maggie haberman of "the new york times" has a new book coming out and among the many scoops in herare the fact that donald trump told aides in the days following his loss in the election that he was going to just stay at the white house. one of the quotes, quote i'm just not going to leave. another quote, we're never leaving, how can you leave when you won an election. what's your reaction? >> you know, i obviously haven't seen her book. but sometimes people will say well, you know, what happened wasn't that big a deal because, you know, if mike pence had rejected a slate of electors the supreme court would have sorted it out. there are a lot of ways people say this wasn't as dangerous as it really was. and when you hear something like that, i think you have to recognize that we were in no-man's land. and territory we've never been in before as a nation. and when you think about, well, the supreme court would have sorted it out, you have to ask yourself but who would have enforced the rulings of a court and if you have a president refusing to leave the white house or saying he refu

and cnn political analyst maggie haberman. reporter for "the new york times." also, the author of a brand-new book coming out in a few days titled "confidence man: the making of donald trump and the making of america." let me forward to that book. elliot, just how valuable is mark meadows' compliance as far as the justice department is concerned? >> you know, he could be very valuable, wolf, but i would caution anyone from getting too excited here. well really don't know the extent of his cooperation. if you remember some months back, there was back and forth with the house january 6th committee where he didn't fully comply. so it's hard to know exactly what he did provide here. but as sara's roaring noted, he is an important figure, both a political and policy aide to the president, and certainly has a lot to say about all of these matters. >> maggie, meadows is now the highest ranking trump official to go ahead and to cooperate and comply with the subpoena and testify before the justice department's federal grand jury. what'

also a really good piece of new york times today from maggie haberman talking about how the attorneysof situations and things that they have said to try to defend donald trump. under oath so they're getting themselves trouble. it just a big giant mess. i do think donald trump is trying to run out the clock. trying to do whatever he can to avoid indictment. this just screams a hot mess. and i think this time he isn't really deep trouble. and it is just a matter of time until we see that play out. >> joel, thank you so much for being with us. coming up next, more than 30 years after his death at the hands of law enforcement, philip's life story is being told in a brand-new documentary. and his family will join me next. and his family will join m next (fisher investments) it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same, but at fisher investments we're clearly different. (other money manager) different how? you sell high commission investment products, right? (fisher investments) nope. fisher avoids them. (other money manager) well, you must earn commissions on trades.

joining me now, cnn political analyst and senior political correspondent to "the new york times" maggie haberman and cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers. there is a lot in there, in drew's report. we're talking about january 7th, the day after the insurrection. this is still going on even after everything that happened on january 6th. >> it fits with other pieces we know, john, which is that john eastman, the lawyer, who was the architect of this idea that mike pence could unilaterally reject the electoral college votes on january 6th continued pressing in georgia actually. he wanted to continue investigating in georgia. it is not surprising there are other people who shared his views, who were continuing, but the detail of this is really what is stunning. i have to say, this is one of the first times that i think there has been a clear road map presented in one of these stories about machines being either a breach or something tampered with potentially, where you can connect the dots between players across the spectrum in this entire issue and it is a fascinating rep

meanwhile, new york times maggie haberman saying there is one big clue that shows trump is nervous about the document probe. the fact that actually paid his lawyer. he says he is not known for paying lawyers in this case has jolted him. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor and my good friend glenn kirschner. glenn, good morning. in my opinion, trump's latest accusations maybe a broken record, as i said, but i think it sounds like evidence of his consciousness of guilt. what are your thoughts? >> he feels the walls of closing. you can tell, katie. and i saw the reporting that he has hired a fancy new lawyer, paid that lawyer apparently $3 million up front. i don't know that you or i have ever heard of that kind of a retainer fee. but, frankly i think the lawyer as well advised to get his money up front. because trump is notorious for sniffing his lawyers. and others. but here is the thing that really bothers me. it may be that donald trump has $3 million to hire fancy lawyers to try to stave off criminal charges. but you don't have that kind of? access the b

ask you about the direction of the republican party in light of this new excerpt we've got from maggie habermancipated books about donald trump since he left office. haberman says she had three two-hour interviews with donald trump. and in those interviews, in one of them at least he called her his psychiatrist. and she talks about a conversation that he had with mike pence ahead of the january 6th riots, and this is what he told mike pence. mike, you have a chance to be thomas jefferson or you can be mike pence, trump told haberman, reporting an inaccurate comparison to the election of 1800. and, quote, he chose to be mike pence. so, alice, do you think that mike pence is offering republicans a version of the party that they're interested in and a potential candidate that they could be interested in 2024? >> let me just say thank god mike pence was mike pence on january 6th and did what he could to help certify the election. but, look, the good thing is gop has a deep bench right now. we have several candidates that are already testing the waters and going out to these early states, and we hav

liz cheney spoke to cnn's jake tapper about the new reporting from "the new york times," from maggie haberman'sorthcoming book that trump was privately telling aides he was not going to leave the white house after his 2020 election loss. >> when you hear something like that, i think you have to recognize that we were in no man's land, and a territory we'd never been in before as a nation. and when you think about, well, the supreme court would have sorted it out, you have to ask yourself but who would have enforced the rulings of the court, and if you have a president who's refusing to leave the white house or who's saying he refuses to leave the white house, then anyone who sort of stands aside and says someone else will handle it is themselves putting the nation at risk. >> the justice department is ramping up its criminal investigation of the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol issuing subpoenas to at least 30 people in former president trump's orbit, mainly these are members of the trump campaign and his fund-raising teams. the doj is trying to pin down details of the effort to overturn

and maggie haberman noting that she covered this judge a long time ago and a key fact about dearie, he is known as exceptionally slow in his pace. that is what the trump team was looking for. delay is something, stall is something. we have seen pick your investigation over the last several years that the trump team seems to be their default. >> and even on top of that, november 30th is that deadline that she wrote in the order that she wants dearie to be done by. we'll hear what he actually has to say about that in the coming days. but if the trump side or the justice department side disagrees with any decision dearie makes about any of the documents he is reviewing here on privilege, whether or not they can be a part of the criminal investigation, they can appeal and cannon can do essentially whatever she wants. she wrote that into the order as well. so that could further delay things. she's not setting anytime table for herself to work through this. but at the end of the day, there is a priority here and it is on the 100 or so documents that are classified. these are the ones that th

see, earlier this year, the "new york times's" maggie haberman reported that during the ex-president'se in office, white house staff found papers clogging a toilet, believing the ex-president had flushed material he'd ripped into pieces. not the first time the former president tried to flush something embarrassing. one time, staffers went in there and found eric. ( laughter ) of course-- of course, when-- when the story broke, the ex-president denied it. so, that's it. there's no way to ever know the truth. ...until this weekend, when the plot went from one-ply to two, because haberman revealed these photos from a white house source, showing some torn-up toilet memos. to be fair, it's unclear if those are official white house documents, or his toilet's suicide note. ( laughter ) jim, can we take another look at the-- at "flush force one?" okay, that's clearly his sharpie handwriting. he even wrote the name stefanik. as in elise stefanik, one of the ex-president's biggest g.o.p. defenders in congress. now, if you're in the maga world, that is huge. congrats, elise-- i heard the presiden

and you know, maggie haberman has reporting out that trump at a certain point said i'm just not going tleev. i'm not going to leave. and i remember saying this, i think i once was on bill maher and he said it, people suspected he would chain himself to the resolute desk and refuse to leave. now we have reporting that he said i'm not going to leave. i'm not going anywhere. how can you leave when you won an election? i don't know, ask al gore. i mean, you leave because your term is over and the electoral college says good-bye. what do you make of just -- i feel like they all fit into a piece. do you? >> i had this conversation -- i had this conversation a number of times before the outcome of the 2020 election because everything that we had seen from donald trump up until that point suggested he had already considered the possibility that he might not necessarily win, and he gave himself particularly in public conversation a window of opportunity to basically allow for him to basically not participate in the peaceful transfer of power. so i told people who i was close to, be prepared fo

lawyers shared their concerns about the scheme in emails reported on by "the new york times" maggie haberman? >> in one email a lawyer describes them as fake electors and said what we would be doing is sending fake electors, fake in quotes to go cast ballots in another email there was a discussion about fear from some officials. this would be seen as quote unquote treason. >> what might have happened had pence tried to go through with this idea that he could reject electoral votes and send them back to the states biden won such as arizona, pennsylvania, wisconsin, georgia? >> he would have immediately plunged the country into what i characterized would be a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional crisis. >> there is just no way that the framers of the constitution who divided power and authority, who separated it out, who had broken away from george iii and declared him to be a tyrant, there was no way they would have put in the hands of one person the authority to determine who is going to be president of the united states. >> but president trump now saw vice president pence as the ma

. >> we have reporting from maggie hab haberman's new book about trump's business dealings she said in 1998 a leaseholder paid trump with gold bricks to cover the portion of a lease on a parking garage and she also writes in trump, in interviews she did with him, suggested he may have had interactions with the mob in some of his business dealings although he's super fuzzy on details around that. does any of that surprise you? >> no, not at all. although i would say the gold bar deal is one of the most trump-y things i have ever heard about. this relationship with the mob goes back to his father, and it includes the construction of trump tower. in those years, the entire concrete business was controlled by organized crime. so he had few options, but to deal with them. but still, it shows that he's familiar with these kinds of folks. and he knows how to work with them. the gold bar thing is so crazy that it's almost hard to imagine. first of all, if maggie is reporting several dozen gold bars, that's a thousand pounds worth of gold and worth about $1 $15 million, that's back then. how cr

. >> jessica schneider, appreciate, it -- cnn political analyst, maggie eight haberman, she's also the off or of the new book out october 4th, titled confident man, the making of donald trump in the breaking of america. political commentator david urban, who served as a campaign strategies for the president. paul, obviously, this is a big win for the department of justice, does it surprise you, what happens next now that they can continue using these classified documents? >> it really doesn't surprise, me because this ruling by judge cannon that the doj couldn't invest in what was going on with these classified documents, it is really kind of shocking. sources and methods, spies that we have in other countries, who knows who were affected by these records. to say the doj couldn't look at, them was really a surprising ruling. i think the appellate court decided that this was the right way to go with it, and they left the rest pretty much alone. >> the three judge panel, and the 11th, circuit lambasted the prior judge, judge, cannon is that the district court abusers discretion in exerci