magnitsky were killed, and just when we dream and they dream.y ukrainians believe that putin's regime will finally break and knowledge will finally be revealed knowledge of what happened in russia in those years appeared, but we also know about the experience of the nkvd, kgbf, fsb, to hide all this, or can we expect that scotland yard or the fbi or all together, interpol, will be able to find and at least specifically point out the people who are guilty of these crimes crimes i wish it was so i spent the last 13 years after the assassination of serhii magnitsky tracking the money and then sharing that information with law enforcement agencies around the world from the fbi to the british french and spanish police to everyone but it is a pity in many cases they did not want to undertake an investigation, give only one example in great britain, where they have been living for 22 years, since vladimir putin came to power, there has not been a single prosecution or investigation of russian economic crimes - this is the country through which the most

if he did it as magnitsky did in russia, he would simply be killed, and this is the difference. ukrainian people are fighting for this, so that it is possible to search for the truth and find the truth, and not for what the russian people or the russian president are fighting . so that no truth can ever be found. it is very important to remember that the sun best sheds light on the truth, and bright light is what makes the world change. i think that it is possible that one of the reasons why ukraine is so successfully resisting much more to an equipped neighbor in that your leader volodymyr zelenskyi is a communicator and he has done much more than me over the past 13 years, he conducts presentations, talks every day, speaks in parliaments, governments, law enforcement agencies and so on then all over the world everyone understands what is happening this is really very important of course under his leadership there are many people in the ukrainian government who are doing the same and this is the key point it is about not allowing a false narrative to defeat the truth i see the

but the magnitsky act doesn't operate within that system? >> mondale, it is totally within their judgment, and there is no restrictions, there is no hands tied behind their backs, there's no formalistic's to off that they turn to. they can easily slip sanctioned him under the magnitsky act, if they did, it'll tie him up in knots. he has assets all over the world, he would not have access to all's bank accounts, he couldn't visit his yacht, so on and so forth. this is a very powerful tool. he was desperately scared [inaudible] the trump administration on this is all being considered. this could easily be resurfaced and used on mohammed bin salman, i think it should be. >> on april 10th of this year, bill, as you recall, i was in lviv, ukraine. i interviewed volodymyr carr mosca, who had returned to russia. i said to him at the end of the interview i said, i'm scared for you, he said, this is where i need to be. the very next day, he was obviously in violation of the law talking about a war there in a lot to call a warned russia, he was arrest

to normal life i will be able to return and be present at the opening of the monument to sergei magnitsky, my lawyer, who was killed by the russians for exposing putin's corruption scheme. i would like to return and open this monument and make sure that the people who killed him will finally be brought to justice and brought to justice . i would like to see that other people involved in the genocide against ukraine will also be brought to justice, but i don't see that i will ever become an investor for this country again, let's go to the book, your new book resistance putin's regime. i once again say to the audience that it is free in ukraine and in russia. although i think in russia they will do everything to ensure that it does not fall into the eyes of anyone, despite its freeness, but what makes this book different, even in the title there is something in common with your previous book - this is the resistance to the putin regime and now the resistance to the putin regime this is um this is the difference between the previous book and today's what is the english title of this book fre

what was offered but what it did show was two things, how desperate putin was to get rid of the magnitskyct and the second thing it showed was how crafty he was about approaching the trump campaign which i thought was both ominous and interesting. >> host: in the time we have left i want to return to the war in ukraine, which is the showdown for putin and putin's russia and the outcome will have lasting impact on the world and i ask what you think of as -- on his way into your rack, general david petraeus turned and said tell me how this ends? and i'm curious not simply about the war in ukraine but the larger story of prudent's russia, this corrupt system written with inefficiency and criminal activity. tell me how this ends? where does it go? you see hooton falling from power, you see russia stabilizing after that? some people think it will be more unstable after prudent. what do you think? how does this story end? >> i'm a sort of scenario analyzer. i don't have one pending scenario, there three scenarios icy in how this could end? there's the good scenario which i would put a low proba

investigating the theft of money in the russian budget, and also in september, an interview with serhiy magnitsky, yes, and in july 2013 by a russian court producer in absentia sentenced to 9 years in a general regime colony well , just now, traditionally at this hour, we remember all those people who are no longer with us or whose lives were taken by russia's war against ukraine, we will honor a minute of silence in memory of the ukrainian military and peaceful citizens of ukraine who died in the war that was unleashed by russia 253 days of russia's war against ukraine continues for your attention news on espresso anzhelika sezonenko works in the studio zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is again completely out of control due to the russians' shelling of the energoatom and noted that the day before enemy attacks damaged the last two high-voltage communication lines of the station with the ukrainian power system, then the facility went into full mode from no current and turned on all 20 diesel generators with fuel for their work remain in this mode for 15 days, meanwhile, the occupation authorities

so this magnitsky act so we have this magnitsky act after lawyer, sergei after my lawyer, sergei magnitskyame after my lawyer, sergei macame upvas murdered . we came after my lawyer, sergei macame up thisnurdered . we came after my lawyer, sergei macame up this ideazred . we came after my lawyer, sergei macame up this idea tod . we came after my lawyer, sergei ma came up this idea to freeze came in, came up this idea to freeze the assets and ban the visas , the assets and ban the visas, not of the whole country, but just of the guys who the just of the guys who doing the terrible the terrible stuff, all the murderers and torturers, etc, the states passed the the united states passed the magnitsky 2012 there magnitsky act in 2012 and there are countries around the are now 35 countries around the world have magnitsky world that have the magnitsky raising. was the this raising. and this was the this was the template which is now being thousands and being used on thousands and thousands russians, including thousands of russians, including these whose yachts and these oligarchs whose yachts and

looking for an openingt it did show was two things one one how desperate putin was get rid of the magnitsky and the second thing it showed was was how crafty he was about approaching the trump campaign which which i thought was both ominous and interesting. in the in the time that we have left, mr. spreader. i want to return to the war in ukraine, which is the really the showdown for putin and putin's russia. and the outcome will obviously have lasting impact on the world and i want to ask you what i think of as the as the dave petraeus question famously on his way into iraq general petraeus turned to a journalist from the washington post rick axton who's traveling with him and said tell me how this ends. and i'm curious but not simply the war in ukraine, but but the larger story of of putin's russia this corrupt system ridden with inefficiency and and criminal activity. tell me how this ends. where does where does it go? do you see putin's falling from power? you see a russia stabilizing after that? some people think it'll be even more unstable and dangerous after putin. what what do you t

investigating the theft of money in the russian budget, and also in september, an interview with serhiy magnitskyct of a russian court in absentia, he was sentenced to 9 years in a general regime colony. well, just now, traditionally in at this hour, we remember people who are no longer with us and whose lives were taken by russia's war against ukraine, we will observe a moment of silence in memory of ukrainian soldiers and peaceful citizens of ukraine who died in the war that was unleashed by russia

republic, jan lipavsky, being in great britain and also last week during the presentation of the magnitskye said now i will quote the ukrainians clearly stated that they do not want to be part of the moscow empire and their struggle with an aggressive neighbor is also a struggle for european security and it is possible that this winter will be more difficult, but the price of slavery is greater - this is the end of his quote. he added that ukraine is fighting for its survival now and therefore, no one should tell her what she should do. and the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania, gabrielia slanzbergis. last week, also commenting on all the events, he said that the main thing we should do now is to give ukraine the same as well as you. by the way, in response to previous questions, they said to give more weapons so that ukraine could fight aggression. look, i have repeatedly asked my interlocutors questions about why there is a different reaction of people in eastern europe and in western europe to what is happening now in ukraine because before the cold winter - western europeans are

republic, jan lipavsky, said on the eve of his visit to great britain, where he was awarded the magnitskyze, and at the same time he stressed that the west should give ukraine all the long-range weapons it needs, according to mr. putin, putin wants to destroy ukraine, but then, quoting nalipavskyi, the ukrainians clearly stated that they do not want to be part of the moscow empire, and their struggle with an aggressive neighbor is also a struggle for european security, and it is possible that this winter will be more difficult, but the price of slavery is even greater . help us to win well, if we want the russian war in ukraine to end as soon as possible, then it is quite logical to give kyiv modern weapons, the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania, gabriel in the elephant, said in an interview to the german publication handel zblat, according to him , there is no need to be afraid, there is no need to be afraid of sending modern tanks and missiles to ukraine that shoot at a distance of more than 80 km, and at the same time, the head of the lithuanian foreign policy department express

even cancel the jack benica amendment against us until they came up with an international list of magnitskythey continued to play with us according to the rules of the cold war era, which they invented back in forty- ninth, and according to which they made lists of everything that we should not be sold in the calculation of that our development will stop. they just changed the name every time. and after the collapse of the union, we turned our economy into a laboratory for experiments. this was called market reforms, which were supposed to teach us to play by universal rules. we really wanted to join the wto and it seems that now the only result that we can challenge in the court of the wto created by the americans is the decision of the us department of commerce. although, in principle, you already need to understand what the rules of the game are. the truth is not about us. if we are talking about our rules now, then we must create them, if we are talking about creating and maintaining growth. so we need to solve these problems, and it doesn't matter if we have a market or non-market econ

to this, but but since the eleventh year we have not we have been using it since the time of the magnitsky talking about the so-called reparations. why did i say the overton window, because the conversation about reparations is a conversation with someone who is conditionally appointed as a loser or potentially, a loser or at least potentially weak agreed that he is a loser who admitted this yes, because reparations can only be paid on the basis of either capitulation or some kind of peace treaty yes peace treaty and so on, in which this is spelled out and when they talk about reparations about the country. in my opinion, so, but the overtone lies precisely in what is offered to her, thereby. to appear and either recognize or not recognize oneself in a position of weakness and then there is a question about the answer, because when you talk about these our mechanisms of reaction to this, it involves taking yourself out of the current neutral situation into a situation where we say no-no-no guys, that is, if you think that we are weak and you are greatly mistaken. we are stronger than you t

we've also seen the magnitsky act come in in the last few years with individual sanctions against individualwith human rights abuses and from states rather than entire countries, you focus on that run these countries . but on that run these countries. but yes, we are seeing now some challenges in of how you walk that line of course global is slowing down. we've seen actually perhaps one of the reasons behind these chinese protests we've seen over the last 24 hours isn't just the covid policies and the awful case of that fire in the west of the in the east of country, whereby people were sort locked in and couldn't get out, but also because the chinese has been slowing and when you've seen protest movements around the world going centuries, it isn't just nature of the thing that they're protesting. it's also often economic concerns that have to marry into that acting as sort two blades of a pair of scissors to create that pressure for , those protests. so pressure for, those protests. so the economy clearly at the forefront of the prime minister's mind and of that goes back to the two briefs

should impose severe penalties on those responsible including through sanctions under the global magnitsky human rights act. i urge my colleagues to support this measure and i reserve the plans of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman reserves. the gentlewoman from california is recognized. ms. jacobs: i have no further requests for time and reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from california is recognized. mrs. kim: in closing, i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized. mrs. kim: i want to thank ranking member jacobs and myers. an identical text unanimously passed the nat in july. deliberately starving innocent civilians as a war weapon must be condemned wherever it occurs. this resolution also condemns the acts of looting, diversion, or other demiles of the humanitarian access that imneed delivery of life-saving assistance to populations who need it most. finally, i also want to take a moment to commend the humanitarians who put their lives at risk every day to get food to vulnerable