just after the fire, we both spoke to lucy we both spoke to mahad, a resident and an eyewitness. it could be tackled, that half the building wouldn't be affected. though what bollards that we re affected. though what bollards that were blocking — — affected. though what bollards that were blocking —— vert there where pollard is blocking the access. that account came a few hours after the fire, so mahad would not have been able to read newspapers or watch tv news reports. 0ther eyewitnesses we spoke to had similar accounts. yesterday, we spoke to a reverend in one of the churches near the site of the fire, and he said he saw at least one car that had to be dragged away by the fire brigade to allow them access to the site, so more indications that access was some sort of issue that night. and what do the council and the fire service say? we asked the council to come on the programme, but they said, we don't think it is right to make comments until the issue has been discussed with the police and the enquiry. the london fire brigade, distinct from the union, have said, it is inevita