but we did no mahali jackson. >> exactly. >> and i found that entire section to really did transcend. it was a bleak time, a dark time, but that was such a joyful festival. >> you know, often times, i think there were two main goals, really three goals with this film. one, to let artists know, you know, despite what charles barkley says in the nike commercial, we are role models, and we do -- when we have a platform, we should use it wisely. number two is often times when you see period pieces from this era, especially with civil rights, you never hear from the women's side, you know, we always -- our go-to speaking points are always about malcolm martin, motown, but never from like the women of that era. but most importantly, when you think of that period, you think of the bloodshed, the struggle, the pain, but i think that black joy is also an extremely important part in telling our story. >> we talk about the church and music coming from the church, one thing i didn't realize even though i loved his music and thought he was crazy and out of his mind was sly. >> what's weird about t