>> you know, what moved me, i was so -- so mahdi could not mad, i could not go to sleep, i hear this sit in front of american public tell them lie he cut taxes for small businesses 18 times is an out right, -- a lie. >> i don't know where any of those figures came from, 18 times and so many dollars, i have not seen any tax cuts i have seen x increases. >> for you, butch, last 4 years. >> increases and harder to did, food prices go up, gas prices going up, more regulations, i don't know what else to do. i don't know if obama wins, i will have to worry about healthcare or bush tax cut in place or not. who knows. what do i do. neil: david,hat about, leaving aside inflation and commodity prices that have driven up your basic costs, have your taxes gone up outside of the local level? >> you know, who lapped is, that we -- what happened or taxes have not gone down. this guy says he cut taxes 18 times, he -- he calling a cut, is he said, okay hire a veteran unremembered for 6 months i give you a $5,000 dreaded, that is not a tax cut, when am i going to do hire someone that has been workin f