among other questions, joining us to discuss this is mahmoud sirjan, ceo of radar, a privacy and security incident response management company. mahmoud, welcome, good to have you with us. i hardly know where to begin here. but in the case of the presbyterian hospital out in los angeles, patient records were not compromised? what were they after? were they simply after a ransom payment? >> first of all, thank you for having me. >> glad to have you. >> we understand that every day, health care organizations are under attack. incidents are happening all the time. and the motive of these attackers can vary. and this case obviously was hopefully purely financial. but their motives can go further. and they could get access to a treasure trove of information in a health care institution, where you have personal information, you have financial information, you have health care and insurance information, all of them really combine to provide tremendous value in the black market. so the motivations are very big to attack these health care institutions where they're very vulnerable. >> we've seen a