john and i did interviews with the coordinators in mahoning.all the vans and all the people, they seemed to know really what to do on election day. it wasn't like the old party wood leader. he was there, who knew who voted, who dent, and could get the people out to vote. that knowledge wasn't there, and these college kids running around and didn't really know what to do. so i think there was a bottle neck on turnout. but to go to our story and what we've been doing, that struck us, struck me as an interesting characteristic, especially as we fast forward from 2004 to 2008. the obama campaign didn't contract the work out. they decided that, in the case of mahoning, this might be overstated, if mitigate my arguments, but they didn't really think the local parties could do this, but they were going to contract it out to another actor. they were going to do it themselves. they created this tremendous campaign effort in mahoning county where they had three offices of their own. unheard of, 35 staffers. i don't know of any campaign. i was around duri