for example, the big poll quote in the mailer includes this, out of context quote from president obama -- maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller. the president wants old people with health problems to take the pi painkiller. maybe even take a lot of painkillers, if you know what i mean. this is a group that claims to represent seniors. the way they have chosen to represent seniors in this particular fight is to try to scare seniors into thinking their government wants to kill them. with friends like these, who needs corporate-funded fake grassroots enemies? joining us now is john roger. he is executive vice president of policy at aarp. mr. rother, thank you very much for coming on the show tonight. i appreciate it. >> good evening. >> now, on the surface, it looks like your organization, aarp and 60-plus could be rival groups. are we looking at a turf war between your two competing organizations here, or is there something that's fundamentally different about these two groups? >> well, we represent 40 million members 50 and older. we don't know if the

that happened after sites on the hill went down earlier this year when an even smaller number of e-mailers was writing about economic stimulus. >>> metro fired two bus drivers today. one driver was let go after he was charged with kidnapping. he reportedly refused to let a passenger off of his bus after they got in to an argument. a second driver was fired after she was arrested for driving with a suspended license. a third driver, who was suspended while driving while talk hog a cell phone is back on the job. she used the phone to report a mechanical problem. >>> have you seen this man? his name is deafen champagne and he escaped from custody last night. sky nine over jessup maryland as authorities looked for him. the sheriffs office says a deputy was taking the 20-year- old to the detention center when he used his handcuffs to attract the deputy champagne climbed out a window and ran away. he had been convicted of felony theft and he faces additional charges including attempted murder. >>> we still don't know the i.d. of the person killed by a hit and run driver. the man was struck this

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a republican party mailer being sent across the country with was surfaced online today. called the 2009 future of american health care survey and it claims to be a friendly questionnaire about health care, sent by, rnc chairman michael steele who promises that, of course, no one's trying to scare people, the survey questions about house reform include, "it has been suggested that the government could use voter re h registration. prompting fears that gop voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a democratic imposed health care rationing system." does this possibility concern you? health care reform, really a secret plot to kill republican, which it totally might be, wouldn't that scare you? really, no one's trying to scare people. i swear. in the horrible hobsean and mischaracterizations, the health care debate this summer thus far, this one, this health reform is a secret plot to kill republicans offered up by the republican party itself was so bad that the republican party actually had to apologize for it today. they called it "inartfully worded."

the report says there's been a big drop in the number of fish phishing e-mailers pretending to be a bank. when you click on, you're taken to a website where the scam artist can steal your information. ibm resemple says scammers may be changing tactics because internet users are, in fact, getting smarter about identifying phishing e-mails. i hope i am. >>> u.s. navy reports another pirate attack off the coast of somalia. this time on one of its helicopter. nbc is live in london with details. stephanie i thought the whole thing that happened with the alabama maersk, the ship, the pirates would leave the u.s. alone. no? >> no, that's not the case. in fact, there have been a lot of attacks. more than 130 attacks this year alone. so it wasn't just those efforts that we saw back in april that shut them down. they have been still very active. the picture that was released today by the u.s. navy they say shows one of their helicopters being shot at by pirates prosecute a hijacked vessel. they are using high-caliber weapons. you can see them there, the dark figures. the video is a little fuzzy. t

e-mailers are getting in on the action and the misinformation is going viral.l vick's looking for redemption. he's now ready to play football again. will his fans forgive him? >>> maybe tom delay's looking for forgiveness, too. from corruption charges to "dancing with the stars"? more on that just ahead. >>> this hour, the debate on one of the biggest points of contention. this weekend, president obama and his health and human services both suggested it would not be the deal breaker in once was, this public option, and that's touched out of a fire storm. a short time ago, the president assured veterans reform would not mean reduced benefits. >> so much misinformation out there about health insurance reform, let me say this. one thing that reform won't change the veteran's health care. no one is going to take away your benefits. that is the plain and simple truth. >> chuck todd is in phoenix right now, where president obama has just finished speaking to veterans of foreign wars. what is the rowdy sound i'm hearing? >> it is health care demonstrators, both pro an

without a doubt, increased postage costs on consumers with commercial mailers will only serve to drive more volume out of the system. a large increase must be avoided. financial savings are available from many sources. releasing current financial obligations, additional cost savings, retention and expansion of cost practices, and rightsizing the infrastructure can also help demand. legislation under consideration to provide modification to postal service financial obligations which at the minimum are needed to -- my company, in conjunction with the various associations, supports the passage of this legislation. the postal service must be commended for its success in reducing operating expenses. arguably, the most significant obligation would come from a modification of servers. reduction in the number of delivery days is difficult and would compromise. the unfortunate reality is, mail volume simply no longer supports six-day delivery. processing facilities must also be brought in line with mail volume. prudent business practice his state that a company must continually modified its inf

first out we got out a mailer to everybody in the district about healthcare with a survey attached so people could write back and let us know what they thought. we advertised in that mailer, i think 5 in person town halls and did another 5 over the course of the summer in june and july. that was important, because we wanted to gather people's information and perspective as this bill was coming together. >> right. >> once the bill was passed out at committee, then the premium shifts to getting the information about it out to as many people as we possibly could. the telephone conference calls, you can get 5, 6,000 people on the line sigh mul simultaneousl. >> right. >> the next thing we want to do, because it's a layering. you do the inperson and the telephone conference calls. i want to get out to the senior communities and seniors are getting a lot of bad information about this bill. this is a great bill for seniors. it strengthens medicare. it makes sure that program is sound going forward. we got to get the word out. >> going on that, the aarp is upset about this. they said they are

without a doubt, increased postage costs on consumers with commercial mailers will only serve to drive more volume out of the system. a large increase must be avoided. financial savings are available from many sources. releasing current financial obligations, additional cost savings, retention and expansion of cost practices, and rightsizing the infrastructure can also help demand. legislation under consideration to provide modification to postal service financial obligations which at the minimum are needed to -- my company, in conjunction with the various associations, supports the passage of this legislation. the postal service must be commended for its success in reducing operating expenses. arguably, the most significant obligation would come from a modification of servers. reduction in the number of delivery days is difficult and would compromise. the unfortunate reality is, mail volume simply no longer supports six-day delivery. processing facilities must also be brought in line with mail volume. prudent business practice his state that a company must continually modified its inf

>> once i for -- obtain some of the permission from the mailers, i contacted him but i have not heard on this. we will as well. bill: that is enough to stay tuned for all day. when is he going to come back? megyn: you have to ask questions. that is their job. bill: some at these town hall meetings are talking about what they call government-controlledç death panels. caroline shively has that story from washington. this was a truck grassley in iowa who was blasting this part of the bill.3 >> in a statement he said that we would drop and of life provisions entirely because of the way they could be misinterpreted and implemented incorrectly. as you mentioned, he was even more forceful in a town hall on wednesday. >> i do not have any problem with living wills, but they ought to be done within the family. we should not have a government program that determines your are going to pull the plug on grandma. >> keep in mind, he is one of the key negotiators on the senate finance committee and one of the few republicans at the table. if he is having these problems, it will be a rough time. bill

and i get these mailers. madoff scam. selling people's jewelry and they're selling their art or whatever. and i don't have any art. i don't have any jewelry. what's going through my mind of what i have to sell is my story. and i know it was going to be very hard on me. i was going to take a lot of the brunt. and i was willing to do that because the amount of responsibility was, and still is, really overwhelming. >> so, aside from the tale, the value of something like this is insight into the mind of a man who is capable of such a prolonged, criminal activity. what do you feel now that you know about this man i terms of his ability to live a lie? and to be so different from how he presented himself? >> i think that it was more important to bernie to keep up his -- the facade,he image, at all costs, no matter what the moral implications. i think the moral implications were just swept away. and it was abo bernie and who bernie had to be, to the world. >> it's interesting that you were able to perceive that he was uncomfortab

>> host: her comment in line with e-mailer who asked us what is the end game in afghanistan?>> guest: first as to what barack obama was promising in the election, he was clear that he thought afghanistan was something that he would concentrate on and so i don't think anybody should be fooled or surprised that we're not currently withdrawing from afghanistan. as to the end game i think we're going to be in afghanistan for a long time, the question is at what level and with what objectives? is the objective to build a prosperous democratic afghanistan or even an afghanistan with a fully operative central government? that would be a high-level of economic be, economic resources. are we there to prevent afghanistan from being a place that be a threat to the us or a threat to pakistapakistan, that be lower level of commitment. we tried the idea of ignoring afghanistan completely and that is what we did in the 1990s because the cold war was over and terrorism was not a real focus and the result was that they could plot 9/11. we can't allow bin laden to have a little -- to have camp

. >>> a frequent e-mailer and one of the few to come out and stick his neck out. or whether the bear is back. the second hour of "squawk" begins now. good wednesday morning, welcome back to "squawk" on cnbc. i'm carl quintanilla along with becky and joe. a lot to talk with doug about over the next couple of hours. futures here are negative. rough night in asia. china officially in a bear market down more than 20% since it hit that high on august 4th, futures will face some weakness in the open here. oil is down despite some bullish inventory data yesterday down $0.48 to 68.71. >> you talk about the highs on august 4th, we're not to the end of august and talking about a bear market. we think about major moves happening over a matter of months. going from a bull market high to a bear market in a couple of weeks, you've got to be in china for something like that. >> only in china you could argue. ten-year note having a back up. dollar a relative winner and yen as well as risk aversion back in the market against the euro and pound. stronger dollar, gold in the last ho

bill sent thus text -- meanwhile, an anonymous e-mailer says -- and forget dieting.ns running back lendale white dropped 30 pounds in six months by cutting out tequila. he was a big consumer of petron. that's a lot of petron, man. he says he feels great, though. >> i bet he does. good >> that's sports. >> how many calories would that be? >> there's 100 calories in one shot of tequila. i looked it up. so what are you talking there? >> a lot. >>> hi, bob. >> good morning, robin. one hundred calories in -- >> you can tell that everybody is on the food counting programs because they say, i can have one of those because it's only one point. >> looking at the radar picture, most of the action is down to the south. there may be thunderstorms later on this afternoon. if you're traveling out to orlando, nashville, cincinnati, cleveland, 30 minute to one-hour delay there is. atlanta, a delay in the last hour. so good news there. san francisco, an 81-minute delay yesterday. same scenario. probably about an hour delay there. that should last until about 1:00 p.m. >> thank you. t

last night, i am not going to spoil it for everybody, it came very early and i think i'd love our e-mailers to e-mail in throughout the day and tell me if i'm wrong, it had the most graphic guy scene i think i've ever seen on tv, really. you always talk about if the door is closed, but i think we crossed a cultural threshold last night and pushed the envelope and we're not going to -- don't show people of that. >> and that was good? >> you know -- >> dude, it's whatever gets you through the night. it's all right. all i'm saying, it is in our culture today in 2009, it is still really shocking, even to a lot of people that are very progressive. they don't want to see men kissing. i'm very open when you start showing two men starting to kiss. >> it's not pay per view, it's on regular tv. >> you know what, dude, passing up judgments, i am the cultural, you know, whatever. >> was the show good, though? was it a good premiere? >> you know, i think they, they didn't jump any shark but it was a little more obvious this year. >> little self conscious. >> a bit self-consciouses. that being said madme

. >> i think it's a boeing -- we're getting some e-mailers writing in that they're looking at the tail and, you know, obviously -- i haven't confirmed it, but i wonder whose plane it is, because obviously it's a pretty big price tag on that, and i don't think the obama administration paid for it. >> hard to say. >> could have been donated. >> could have been, i think it was. >> david, it does raise one thing. that's whether it's americans who were held, whether it's trade, dealing with the north korean military, it does get back to the relationship the u.s. has with china and whether or not we can see some common ground. they see this government much differently than we do, do they not? >> that's right, china and north korea obviously neighbors. you would think china would want north korea to stop this behavior. i think the u.s./china relationship is excellent. we're seeing it in commerce, and an issue is can it grow into china being a strong leader globally? north korea would be a good spot for china to start. they could fix that probably pretty quickly. >> we'll keep an eye on what h

>> host: her comment in line with e-mailer who asked us what is the end game in afghanistan? guest: first as to what barack obama was promising in the election, he was clear that he thought afghanistan was something that he would concentrate on and so i don't think anybody should be fooled or surprised that we're not currently withdrawing from afghanistan. as to the end game i think we're going to be in afghanistan for a long time, the question is at what level and with what objectives? is the objective to build a prosperous democratic afghanistan or even an afghanistan with a fully operative central government? that would be a high-level of economic be, economic resources. are we there to prevent afghanistan from being a place that be a threat to the us or a threat to pakistapakistan, that be lower level of commitment. we tried the idea of ignoring afghanistan completely and that is what we did in the 1990s because the cold war was over and terrorism was not a real focus and the result was that they could plot 9/11. we can't allow bin laden to have a little -- to have campus

if you're ae mailer, go to cnn.com/robin.if you're a facebooker, we can get you there, too. >>> a plane made an emergency landing in the middle of a seaside wedding on saturday. the couple rode horses out the the connecticut beach to say their i dos and boarded a boat for the reception. just beautiful. next thing they knew, a plane ditched offshore. the pilot said he hated to crash the party but he needed to land somewhere and fast. >> my engine stopped. i lost oil pressure. all of a sudden and there was a large bang and the propeller wasn't going around anymore. and i was about 4,000 feet and then means i have, you know, four or five minutes before i've got to land somewhere. >> i was telling people, well, we said it wouldn't be boring. >> yeah. well get this. the pilot was actually supposed to be at a wedding himself but decided to skip it and go for a ride instead. >>> the top u.s. general in afghanistan says the taliban now has the upper hand there. general stanley mccrystal said it became an aggressive enemy whose area o

always a big hit with some of our e-mailers. >> tieless tuesday -- yeah, you know. it on friday. i'm amazed at how many people get their nickers in a twist when you don't wear a tie. >> it bothers some folks. if you are looking for a new update to your closet, you're in luck. genie most found a most unusual hand-me-down website. >> want to wear what they're wearing? >> hi -- >> hey there. >> alicia joins us live from miami. >> you can dress like a tv anchor for peanuts. >> send us your gently worn tv clothes and accessories. >> most tv anchors have them cast away in the closet. >> let me show you what's been rejected. >> someone told you not to wear this. >> your boss? >> yes. but i shall not reveal names. >> reporter: perfect candidate for tv news closet. >> you're out of the business, it doesn't fit, you don't like it. >> reporter: people send in this turquoise jacket and dress. the website sells it for $30 and splits the proceeds with the owners. names of the owners aren't specified. a certain morning anchor in the southwest seems to be cleaning out the closet se

house on friday are looking over the list submitted by fox news, fox news had given them a list of e-mailersat does that mean? they have never given their name or e-mail address to then candidate obama or to the white house itself. e-mails they've received without having done any of that and this is what ignited this whole exchange over major garrett pan press secretary gibbs. >> violating the law. >> never ever signed up for anything related to this white hou house, senator obama's as candidate or senator obama as anything and received e-mails from david axlerod. >> i'd be interested to see who you got that e-mail from and whether or not they are owe on the list. >> i want to be very-- i need to give you the people's e-mails so you can check them on a list? >> i'm asking. >> well, you're asking if they're on a list. and they. >> checking without asking to double-check the name. >> they're telling you they're not on a list because they never asked for any e-mail. >> i'd have to look at what you've got major, i appreciate the fact that i have omnipotent clarity as to what you received in your

i've got a lot of comments on my facebook page and e-mailers that agree with your point of view. let's check some e-mails. kathy wrote this -- bo in colorado wrote this. chris in california wrote this -- he doesn't even call it food. he says substances. i also posted this question on my facebook page, got lots of responses. douglas is 20. thanks, doug. tina wrote this. and chad posted this -- thanks, everyone, for responding to this. our views were all over the place. we want you to continue to share your comments here on hln knews and views. prime news starts at the top of the hour. lots of topics there you can comment on. you can go back and forth with mike galanos. see how you can get your view heard. >>> all right. he's been all over the world. but there's one place travel expert says he won't go. arizona. it isn't rattlesnakes or heat that's keeping him away. find out what it is. >>> time to fill up the tank on the space shuttle "discovery." got some fantastic live pictures for you. look at that. crews will start fueling up the orbiter just a few minutes from now at florida'