malalia jackson could sing but she doesn't speak. no woman speaking at the movement at the march in washington in 1963. back up. you were a 21-22-year-old student? >> 22. tavis: at fisk but you happen to be a woman. where does the courage and the conviction and the commitment and the character come from for a woman in this movement to be as bold and outfront as you were at such a young age? >> well, the many, many, many women participated in the movement. it was just that the civil rights movement came before the women's movement and so just about everybody's consciousness was very low when it came to gender. actually in the nashville -- the local movement to desegregate lunch counters in nashville, i was the third chairperson. the first two were men and they held office, i guess each one held office for maybe 10 days or two weeks and they missed meetings and they missed demonstrations and when they came back to a meeting, we said where were you and they said they were busy studying or something. [laughter] >> and we thanked them for