had come up to me and said who is this malcolm gladwell? >> a fellow canadian, someone who has more hair than me, i don't know, someone really curious, shared the object of his curiosity with as many as he could. >> we'll wait for that. malcolm gladwell, thank you for joining us and thank you for joining us on [ ♪ music ] >> he's the man who brought a generation to warp speed. take is best known for playing lieutenant sulu he has a decades long career in film, radio it and theatre. he wrote and starred in a musical about japanese-american internment in world war ii. something he has knowledge of. he was sent to a camp at the cage of five. he's a successful writer and outspoken activist for gay writes. and take

had come up to me and said who is this malcolm gladwell? >> a fellow canadian, someone who has more hair than me, i don't know, someone really curious, shared the object of his curiosity with as many as he could. >> we'll wait for that. malcolm gladwell, thank you for joining us and thank you for joining us on >> evey sunday night, join us for exclusive, revealing, and suprizing talks with the most interesting people of our time. next sunday, >> i spent my whole life thinking about themes and thinking about how to structure movies, so this is highly unusual. >> the director of the sixth sense, says there are five things we can do to fix education in america >> the united states has education apartheid, that's the facts... >> talk to al jazeera with m. night shayamalan next sunday at 7et / 4pt on al jazeera america . >>> hello and welcome. i'm phil torres, we'll talk about innovations that will change laughs. we'll look at hardware. this is a show about science by scin histories. kyle hill is an engineer, and he's investigating head-to-head

had come up to me and said who is this malcolm gladwell? >> a fellow canadian, someone who has more hair than me, i don't know, someone really curious, shared the object of his curiosity with as many as he could. >> we'll wait for that. malcolm gladwell, thank you for joining us and thank you for joining us on . >>> hello and welcome. i'm phil torres, we'll talk about innovations that will change laughs. we'll look at hardware. this is a show about science by scin histories. kyle hill is an engineer, and he's investigating head-to-head combat and cutting edge technology that can help to detect a concussion before it's too late. >> lindsay moran is an ex-c.i.a. operative. she was packaging that can one day replace

malcolm clarke was a real person and the watershed event. he was one of the most important pioneers from the 1840's until the 1850's. it's an extremely accomplished family of mixed ancestry who were the people in between and had a separate and additional and indigenous status from the government, recognized as such an independent people. and i think that such of course lived in the united states as well but they were extremely hard to track because of the rather by an eerie formulation in the u.s. as people were either indiana or white and there wasn't much room for people in between at least certainly not on the census records of the 19th century. i'd been interested in such people but i had given up the chase until i had given up on that day and i had fallen down the family in demand than ever after the cypress hills massacre. quickly though with a group of leaders put in a plug of the wondrous novel about the massacre called the english man's body written by a great novelist. if you're interested in that event, this isn't a project on whi

(clapping) >> thank you malcolm. if i may start off by saying i just want to join in everyone else's great presentation and deep presentation for all of the contractors and the men and women who have built and designed this bridge before also want to thank steve because we've grown accustomed to a assuring voice positive face on this promise and i just want to say thank you steve because you helped all of us think as a bay area not just as an individual cities and counties. thank you to steve (clapping) aqua net and i rode over the oops way on the new span and marveled at being able to do that. perhaps the only time in our lifetime expect if you're in the custody of the highway patrol. in 193 of the east and west came together to celebrate this largest bridge of its time. and i know while it took a while today wire once again coming together to celebrate this innovative design we know will be an icon around the world. thank you, mayor brown for your push for a that iconic design the the idea of opening at night will

. >> malcolm called us all and said i want to take you out to dipp dinner and discuss possible story. and weym all went and it was fr, so i was there. and then he wrote the script and we read the script and it was strong and it just kept getting better and better. >> he brought us all to dinner for see if we would be willing to do -- >> or interested in doing it again. >> malcolm is applying for loans how because of the dinner that he took us allu!zv out to. >> the4hñÑi beginndinner was any to get in the same room again. >> i said i have an idea for a sequel to the best man. they were like let's do it. i was like let's hear the idea first. i don't know what will happen. let's just see. >> you remember back in the day we wanted booty, we had to get playboy magazine or get late night cable. >> and now porn is just on your smartphone. >> are you okay? >> it's kind of freaky, but -- between you and your mate is fun. >> the first movie, there was a camaraderie that existed amongst the actors. a reeal hunger and excitement. this time a little more set in their ways. they have their ideas a

. >> booktv continues now with malcolm gladwell. he talks about the power of underdogs and why they succeed as often as they do. this includes the long-running conflict in ireland and other events in history. this is about one hour and 10 minutes. >> so i bought brought some of my friends in college here tonight. i would like to see malcolm gladwell. thank you for being here. one individual said that guy with crazy hair. [laughter] >> well, that guy is known for a lot more than that. despite having in the book, working with thinking without thinking, and the beauties of malcolm's works is that he makes you think. his work uncovers truths that are hidden. and as a marketer and a philosophy major, things are that are strange, and things that are uncovered, it is something dear to my heart than another reason why i have malcolm here to speak about this. his academic research and critical analysis and fascinating style provide astonishing and useful insights about the world and our place in it. his best-selling book includes a tipping p

this is a -- my first activism in school was at galileo high school was everything was malcolm x. everything was [speaker not understood] power. during a time of public enemy and apartheid and all of these incredible things happening, they were the first opportunity i had to learn about what was going on in south africa, what was going on with people like mandela, our history at martin luther king and malcolm x and what it meant to be african-american and what it meant to not only study african-americans in our public schools, but what it meant to understand what happens globally in the world. we at galileo high school had some amazing teachers who basically deviated from the curriculum to teach us about mandela and to teach us about apartheid. and i made it my personal mission to make sure that my grandmother didn't purchase those products or we didn't -- she has this old broken down car, but i said, we can't go to shell because, you know, of all the places that supported a divided government in south africa were not thing that i wanted to support because of the challenges that t

i'm pleased to have malcolm gladwell back at this table. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: "60 minutes," cbs "this morning." >> i've been busy! >> rose: you deserve to be. >> rose: so we've been thinking about david and goliath wrong? >> it's been funny to think about that story. that story is the quintessential metaphor for lob sided battles. but i started reading around the story and the literature accumulated since then. david's weapon, the sling is in his hand. it's a devastating weapon. it's one of the most devastating weapons in ancient times. the calculation -- i talked to a guy who was a blis ballistics expert. the rock fired from david's sling has stopping power equal toll a bullet fired from a .45-caliber handgun. in other words he's not going in there with a child's toy. then there's goliath there's all speculation among endocrineologists that goliath has a disorder called acromegaly which is a tumor on his pit tour tear grand which would be the cause of his giantism because that causes overproduction of human growth hormo

malcolm (clapping) >> thank you secretary kelly

spike lee with mandela in this picture about malcolm x shared this picture on instagram.ee mandela wearing the "x" baseball cap there. >> anderson cooper said i remember soweto election day 1994. standing in line with elderly south african voters for the first time in their lives. >> mike tyson tweeted out a picture of himself and nelson mandela. tyson noted he heard about mandela's death while on african soil in algeria. tyson wrote sending prayers to nelson mandela's family. >>> charlize theron said, your impact on the world will live forever. adding there will never be words to say what i am feeling now. i'm saddened to the depths of my soul truly. >> obviously these go on and on. this from beyonce, who had an opportunity to meet mandela and she instagramed this picture of herself, her husband, jay-z and mandela's wife saying god bless. >> fergie sharing a picture of herself with nelson mandela. saying, "meeting nelson mandela at his house in johannesburg was a truly memorable moment in life for me. he was an angel." >>> and as we pay tribute to nelson mandela, a celeb

breaks it up into very small pieces so that it is easier to trade back and forth via a swarm. >> malcolm showed us what a bit torrent program looks like on his computer. the programs are perfectly legal, but every day, we're told, up to 50 million people around the world are using programs like this to illegally download pirated movies. and you're downloading the movie right now? >> that's right. >> so those little dots going back and forth are the little pieces of the movie. >> that's right. >> the tiny bits moving toward the blue column in the middle of the screen are pieces of the movie we're getting from people all around the world. the bits moving away from the column are pieces we have and are sharing with someone else. >> and when we get that complete movie, the technology will rearrange all of those little pieces into one complete film that is watchable. >> there's a technology that automatically puts it in the right order? >> sure does. [ticking] >> coming up: how to catch a pirate. >> investigators searching for movie pirates also use a secret method they don't like to talk abo

the latest book from malcolm gladwell. you can see the book at booktv.org. finally, at number 10, sarah palin, good times and great joy, which highlights the importance of great values during the holiday season and these are some of the best-selling nonfiction books according to "the wall street journal." >> peter arnett and julie jacobson talk about the associated press and the photographic history of the vietnam war and the state of war photography today. the book vietnam, the real war, includes 300 photographs by photographers. >> hello, thank you for coming on tonight. i was a child during the vietnam war and living in turkey when my dad was reporting for the armed forces radio. he remembers the war much more vividly than i do. but for both my father's generation and for my generation, the water is preserved for our reflection and study and it is captured by some of the most impressive journalists on the planet for the associated press. over the period of the vietnam war, the ap 16 pulitzer prizes for photography and some of the greatest names are the ap

bob malcolm an extra kick it's quite difficult and that the columns. i chose to listen to this note is finishing its tribute to nelson mandela there at the time playing in this leads us to take a lesson the eye the editor. i did when we were. with all overwhelmed. all club the time. i can. i got. i once ever seen the military saying it spot on the bike to nelson mandela former head of state react so of course a military flyover the piano and bring you back and once again and anybody who has had a military ops and the fam and my grandfather was in the military to military action is at a funeral it's unmistakable. and of course that that's the trouble of peace on this and since it was fun we saw during mandela's inauguration in nineteen ninety four percent said they carried fly over its kind moving moment when you see the images and cares for in a drawer out of the team sits in rebates for free it from my weeks are they of all the pictures of his inauguration ninety two for when you have them achieve high cost. what this amazing as at that point of cours

it's a problem. >> malcolm gladwell. now, korean air solved their problem by retraining those pilots to be more assertive. but now listen to disturbing details we learned today about this asiana flight. the first officer says he told the pilot that the plane was sinking too fast. said this at least four times. the pilot at the controls was in training. he could have changed the approach of the landing. but he said it was quote a very hard decision to make because the instructor pilot had not made the call. in other words, he just didn't want to speak up to his superior. there was also confusion in the cockpit about the automated systems that the crew was depending on them but apparently believed they were turned on but in actuality they were flipped off. still to be clear, investigators have not yet issued their definitive report on the cause of that plane crash. >>> turning to politics now tonight, and the good news we talked about last evening that our do nothing congress had finally agreed on something. america now ha

it should do well when your own got it the movie covers like where malcolm first was going to make this rated r. i was like how do you make a holiday movie rated r. he said it's high it's adult subject matter and i was like what are you going to lose half your audience and he was like i'm trying to tell him that an absolute truth and story and truth and honesty in this story and so he went for it in as a result when you watch it it takes you through all the rides of friendship all the downfall is a lack of faithfulness in your friendship learning how to forgive but in dealing with tragedy at the same time and in a humor kind of keeps us going you like playing you more i haven't done it for fifteen years fifteen already is a serious business so you can't play it funny it is funny but you've got to play it live play it seriously in the first movie i got in so much trouble because they hired me because i was doing the sick on call it sparks marx's sparks and they hired me as the comedian so they would tell me ok ok clinton terrence you need to deliver your line quicker because you get a ha

it should do well or when you're both home or got it the movie covers like when malcolm first was going to make this rated r. i was like how do you make a holiday movie rated r. he said it's high it's adult subject matter and i was like well you're going to lose half your audience and he was like i'm trying to tell him that an absolute truth and story and truth and honesty in this story and so he went for it and as a result when you watch it it takes you through all the rides of friendship all the downfalls of lack of faithfulness in your friendship learning how to forgive but then dealing with tragedy at the same time and you know humor kind of keeps us going you like playing you more i haven't done it for fifteen years fifteen already is a serious business so you can't play it funny it is funny you've got to play it like play it seriously in the first movie i got in so much trouble because they hired me because i was doing the sick on call it sparks marx's sparks and they hired me as the comedian so they would tell me ok ok clinton terrence you need to deliver your line quicker becaus

malcolm webb reports. >> reporter: patrick's mother was shot dead by rebels nearly ten years ago, now going to dig up her grave and their her body to their ancestral home. friends and family with her to help. she was killed when rebels attacked a camp for the displaced, and massacred people living there. >> they were [ inaudible ] and revenge was brought on the civilians. >> reporter: the survivors fled. those that can collect the bodies have to bury them elsewhere. the rebels attacked from this direction, running into the camp and shooting up people. in total about 50 people were killed and there is a memorial here that lists their names. after that the area was deemed unsafe, everyone moves to another camp up the road, and they had to take the dead with them. people here believe the spirits of the dead can affect the living. the goat's blood is thought to cleanse any curses. the ritual gives the family peace of mind. the war left northern uganda extremely poor, but the charity paid the cost of transporting the victims to their rightful resting places. now with some outside support t

malcolm webb reports from lamoib district in northern uganda. >> this pair of boots is the only thing that remains of uganda sonde, an the deducted in 1997 when he was just 12 years old. the rebels were notorious for abducting children and mutilating people. christopher is trying to accept what is probably true. >> if you are coming back, i would be very grateful. very grateful. but now, i don't think. yeah. >> christopher's wife was so upset at the loss of their only child that she killed herself. now he lives alone with only his chickens for company. he says he's waiting for god to stay him away. he's one of thousands in northern gawns whose children went missing during the -- northern uganda whose children went missing during the civil war. he joined a counseling group for people organized by the red cross. here several groups have come together to hold a memorial ceremony. for most of the children an dutted by the lra there's simply no record, no comprehensive list of names and numbers. many people are poor so they have no family memorabilia. about 12,000 went missing and never ca

reciting the final lines from malcolm x's "by any means necessary" speech.know him, to be impacted by him? >> well, anderson, thanks for having me on the show. and during my research i found out that the autobiography of malcolm x is one of many books that kept nelson mandela going in many years of imprisonment. so i got the idea that we should have nelson be in the last scene in the film. and at this time, apartheid was still in place. and we all knew it was going to end and he was going to run for president. but the last line of the speech was, "by any means necessary." nelson told me, spike, i can't say that. i cannot say by any means necessary. so then i said okay, mr. mandela. so then we just cut to archival footage of malcolm x saying "by any means necessary." so i'd like to say one thing. a lot of revisionist history going on. because at one time, the united states and many other countries said that the anc was a terrorist group. >> right. >> you know, let's not forget that. there in apartheid trying to free themselves under the hate regime, and they

malcolm, thank you so much for your perspective.re on his injury and career just ahead. >>> as of this weekend, more than a million americans lost their unemployment benefits. what do they do next? we'll take a look just ahead. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. it's not the "fumbling around with rotating categories" card. it's not the "getting blindsided by limits" card. it's the no-game-playing, no-earning-limit-having, deep-bomb-throwing, give-me-the-ball-and-i'll-take- it-to-the-house, cash back card. this is the quicksilver cash card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere, every single day. so let me ask you... what's in your wallet? just by talking to a helmet. it grabbed the patient's record before we even picked him up. it found out the doctor we needed was at st. anne's. wiggle your toes. [ driver ] and it got his okay on treatment from miles away. it even pulled strings with the stoplights. my ambulance talks with smoke alarms and pilots and stadiums. but, of course,

it was as if malcolm or martin were still alive and the nets had won all in one day. >> nelson mandelae american who like mandela knows the high price of equality, congressman john lewis. >> if nelson mandela can do it we can do it. >> the movie about mandela's life premiered in london. those who attended didn't know mandela had died until after. >> the anti-apartheid protests of the 80s captivated new audiences. >> the ongoing violence there in township townships, he took the story of one man to help america better understand the struggle of one nation. mandela reminded the world reconciliation was more powerful than revenge. forgiveness is a gift to be given. >> i said didn't you hate the people when they let you go? he said briefly i did. but i said to myself they have had you 27 years. if you hate them when you get through that door they will still have you. >> if you can proceed through life with just a portion of nelson mandela's humility, you will be a huge success. >> the audacity of mandela's rise also inspired a young politician from illinois. barack obama met nelson mandela

malcolm gladwell. great to see you. back in a moment.ay with us. ♪ >> we turn now to canon's "project imagination" with james murphy, ron howard and bryce dallas howard. i'm glad to have them at the table to talk about something that is about photography and creativity and imagination as well. it is an interesting title. how did it begin? >> i had never gotten involved with anything having to do with branding since i was a kid on the "andy griffith show." in those days you had to do a commercial. i had to do a commercial just in my opie outfit. >> they made you eat so much cereal. i have heard the story. >> a little bit of that but only when appropriate because you sort of want the proper anyway. i have never gone out of my way to cooperate with brands should >> now we are talking about a big brand, canon. >> they wanted me to be the face of this campaign. it was such an inviting idea because it was an experiment. the idea was simple, it was people submit photographs, still photographs, photographs dedicated to a particular category in t

it was as if malcolm or martin were still alive and the nets had won the world series, all in new yorktal in making new york mandela's first stop in america. >> in my mind, mandela was ten feet tall. what nelson mandela was able to achieve demonstrated what in fact can occur. >> reporter: one american who like mandela knows the high price of equality, congressman john lewis. >> if nelson mandela can do it we can do it. >> reporter: tonight the movie about mandela's life "long walk to freedom" premiered in london. those who attended didn't know mandela had died until after. >> extremely sad and tragic news. >> reporter: the anti-apartheid protests of the '80s captivated a new generation on college campuses and communities. ♪ >> reporter: amidst the demonstrations demanding divestment in south africa here, the ongoing violence there in townships like soweta, it took the story of one man who help america better understand the struggle of one nation. mandela reminded the world reconciliation was more powerful than revenge. forgiveness is a gift to be given. >> i said didn't you hate the pe

and, malcolm webb is reporting. >> reporter: and the mother lucy was shot dead by rebels and the lordtance army nearly ten years ago and now he will dig up her grave and take the body to their ancestor's home. friends and family are here to help. she was killed when rebels attacked a camp for the displaced called lakati and massacred people living there. >> the government are few. they were out computed and brought on the civilians. >> reporter: survivors fled. those that could collect the bodies of loved ones have to bury them elsewhere. on the 19th of may 2004 rebels attacked and came from this direction, running into the camp, shooting at people. others were forced into their huts and burned alive and in total 50 people were killed and there is a memorial here that lists their names. many more were abducted in the same attack. after that the area was deemed unsafe and everyone moved to another camp further up the road and take the dead with them and meant they could not be buried in their homes in accordance with tradition. people here believe the spirits of the dead can effect the

some of the greatest names in the war correspondents staffed the ap bureau, malcolm browne, peter arnett, mick mcgeorge esther, antiatoms just to name a few. the total coverage from the vietnam war constitutes more than 25,000 images. now almost the 50th anniversary of the war, the eps to get the first collection to tell the story of the conflict in vietnam. the book of "vietnam: the real war," which of course i'm blocking, is a photographic history by the associated press is a collection of 300 of these images. we are thrilled to fight to have some of the vietnam correspondence and joining us as well as current photographers who've covered the modern-day war to talk about the images from vietnam. the air to the surprise when a correspondent peter arnett who covers the vietnam war. [applause] for ap for 13 years. julie jacobs -- of jacobson who has covered everything from the olympic to the wars and has been indicted multiple times in iraq and afghanistan santiago lyon. [applause] director of photography for the associated press responsible for the global photograph reporting and the hun

malcolm webb, al jazeera, from northern uganda. >> human rights organizations estimate joseph koni's army abduct 30,000 children to fight as soldiers in the civil war. >> thousands of people are evacuating their homes in el salvador. a plume of ash shot out of the chaparrastique. there are no reports of injuries, several were freed for breathing problems. it was more than 7,000 feet tall, and the last big eruption was 30 years ago. >> rescuers are trying to free a research ship. two attempts to reach the vessel surrounded by thick ice have failed. al jazeera's correspondent explains there's no guarantee another ship will reach them. >> what was supposed to be a scientific expedition left the russian ship and passengers stranded at sea. many are stuck off the coast 100 miles east of a french research station. they left new zealand in november on a privately funded expedition commemorating the 100th anniversary of a journey led by australian explorer douglas mawson. last week things went wrong. battling the weather, the ship sent a satellite distress signal after high winds trapped the

. >> steve, i just wanted to clarify at the last ta board meeting that malcolm was anna pointed member of the task force but you said he was never a ppointed? >> we don't want to elaborate on that. he was on a communication band and he raised a lot of concerns which he felt were not adequately addressed. he was a member of the task force, he was not able to attend many of the meetings. >> thank you. next speaker? >> good afternoon, bob allen from urban habitat. i want to thank the staff for the thoughtful presentation which gets us to have a better start. i think ultimately the clearest kind of equity metric is are we providing better service or communities that while most on transportation throughout the city an i think i would follow up with maria's dmaents we may want to look beyond the comments. i'm glad they are looking beyond the best approach. that they exclusive focus on capital vechlts -- investment and they are going to be adequate and we would have concerns again that exclusively capital vechlts would get us to the outcome and final ly with my work at the regional level, we

rosa parks believed like malcolm that you should use everything that comes to hand for freedom. [applause] so to define her as the woman who sat down on the bus. i want to say about that is beaten in the congress and going through statuary hall, where she is now in looking at sojourner and the emancipation hall and so on. i thought to myself, if people know what we know about rosa parks, she wouldn't be in there. if they know what i'm saying about rosa parks, she would be on the stand. but these historians have done is recovering the real deal about people. in her own right was a wonderful hack to this and intellectual person. they have recovered them like some years ago i recovered callie house of the reparation struggle. the first meeting of the reparations. you ought to know. so, when i think about rosa parks, i think of her and all the side conversations and places and i think of her in the full-bodied kind of reform are radical she really was and how wonderful it is to have her out there, sort of like a secret when i passed through statuary hall. i smile at bay if they only

malcolm webb, al jazeera, northern uganda. >>> a militia of 25,000 strong is thought to be on the run tonight. government forces in south sudan clashed this week with the militia known as the white army. it's made up with thousands of youth largely in line with the former vice president. he's in a power struggle with the president that erupted two weeks ago. since then fighting has displaced thousands. we have more from south sudan. >> reporter: reporting reaching us from bor in south sudan indicate that some of the white army militias, the thousands of them who have been marching to the town of bor with a view of taking it from the government defense forces have disbanded. there are different reasons given for them. michael mcqueen says that the militia disbanded after tribal leaders spoke with them and requested them to abandon their mission and go back to their homes. however, other sources say that there were aerial bombardments around the place where the militias were. they said these bauk bombardments were to serve as warnings not to advance to the town. however what we know and

it was as if malcolm and martin were still alive and the nets had won the world series all in new york all in one day. mandela spoke at yankee stadium. >> you now know who i am. i am a yankee! >> reporter: for many then as now it wasn't so much his or tear skills but the aur ra of his story that inspired. a story so familiar and inter twined with america, and still so very painful. the anti-apartheid protest of the 80s cap vated a new generation on colleges and communities. amidst the demonstrations demanding dye vestment in south africa here was the on going violence there in townships. it took the story of one man to help america better understand the struggle of one nation. mandela reminded the world reconciliation was more powerful than revenge. forgiveness is a gift to be given. the boldness of his vision empowered america. >> i said didn't you hate those people once they let you go? he said briefly they did but when i was walking out of my compound i said to myself, they've had you 27 years. if you hate them when you go through that door, they will still have you. >> reporter: an

in my first chapter i describe the tar and feathering of a customs agent john malcolm and it was justhorrifying affair that happened in january of 177f that winter. they would pour the hot tar on his flesh, place feathers on it and drag him around the streets of boston often in a cart and on occasion beating him up for hours until finally they dumped him at his house in the north end. he would be in bed recovering for six weeks but he would live. he was -- his younger brother daniel who died several years before had been a foremost patriot and there in the malcolm family you could see how much of a civil war this wasn't how it divided families. we think of it as patriots versus british but bostonians were deeply divided as these issues began to bubble up and it was a truly traumatic occurrence. the nathaniel i still have not read "moby dick". i hope to one of these days. thanks to dr. foreman. i have lived here in boston for about a year and a half now. i am a new yorker and i'm rooting for the knicks tonight. they don't need my help. thanks to dr. form and who i went to hear talk abo

or one with an individual city and we should also consider the possibility that was raised by miss malcolm it seems like it's very possible if we can get cooperation from sfpuc that we do in house purchasing of electricity instead of having to go to a contract like shell we have the capacity to do that we just need to expand that capacity on the hech hetchy system. so we got to make sure that we're differentiating ourselves and we'll have an opt out and eighty percent usually eighty percent of the people stay in as long as you have a competitive rate and we've gotten a competitive rate. so we'd get a much higher uptake and pg and e is going to be able to market itself as being a hundred percent green to maybe 2 percent of its customers and that's not real. please do consult with the advocates about the scope of work we really want some buy in on how that works out so we can make sure that this is a comprehensive rfp and that it covers all the bases and goes out to bid for the whole thing to get every possible bidder to make sure we get the right choices of who to implement it and this is v