. >> -- towards the park there's a whole foods at 120th and malcolm gladwell >> seth: okay. [ laughter i understand. [ laughter ] >> those are the famous malcolms >> seth: the famous white -- whiter malcolms. >> you have to have forbes and and mcdowell there so i apologize to their fans and estates. >> seth: i want to ask about the name of your special because, you know, you did the "great depresh," which is absolutely wonderful and i can't recommend it enough, where you talked about, you know, issues like anxiety and depression. what is behind the name "born on third base"? >> well, i am very blessed in that, one, i suffer from depression during a time when they could treat it. and a hundred years ago, they would just throw me away and lock the door. and so, i'm very grateful for that and also, i grew up in the '70s a white male in new england. so i had advantages. i'm 6'6", and i ran really fast, so i was able to get a scholarship to college so i was born on third base. as poor as we were growing up -- and we were poor -- the great thing was we didn't feel poor because my father -- a

malcolm gladwell dida real disservice on this issue and in the mid-2000 he wrote an article for the new yorker advocating housing first . philip bogdanovich who worked for george w. bush recently was advocating for housing first it became bipartisan. it's just a really simplistic idea. the idea is you needhousing to stabilize and overcome your addiction . the truth is that you need shelter for that. housing should be earned because it is expensive. it is our reward formaking progress on your personal plans . >> i certainly see the wisdom of that. i know the incentives are all misaligned here but obviously shelters have to be so much better than they are. i see 1 billion patients who would rather sleep outside. stuff is stolen and worse. you ask yours subtitle why progressives ruined cities and i have a list ofsix reasons . so i'm going to read that. and then you can fill in and tell us. so you've touched on some of them but i think this is also an organizing summary . they block new housing production in cities and suburbs and diver funding from homeless shelters or the permanent living

malcolm gladwell did a disservice may 2000, he wrote an article for the new yorker advocating how andanother working for george w. bush advocated this and david from recently i found the advocating for housing first so it became a mean it's just really soliciting idea that you need housing to overcoming your illness in the a is a unique shelter for that but housing should be hard to because expressing is a reward for making progress in your personal plan. >> i certainly see the wisdom of that. shelters have to be so much better than they are obviously i've seen a billion patients sleep outside. current stuff is stolen and u.s. your subtitle, why progressive and i have your list. wondering that and then you can fill in the seventh grade you've touched on some of them but i think this is organized and semi, to block new housing construction and suburbs and divert homeless funding to the permanent and to defend the rights of people characterized as victims to camp on sidewalks and parks and so on. they intimidate experts and policymakers by attacking them as being motivated by hatred of