malcolm nance is a former master instructor and chief of training at the navy survival evasion resistance and escape school. mr. nance testified in front of congress that waterboarding is torture. he's experienced it, himself. he's a consultant on counterterrorism and terrorism intelligence for the u.s. government. he's author of "an end to al qaeda." malcolm, it's nice to see you again. thanks for coming on the show. >> always a pleasure. >> let me start by asking you how you felt when you heard? >> well, when i finally stopped screaming because, you know, i witnessed the pentagon attack. i was right across the river from it and watched the airplane fly right into the building. it's very personal for me. it's also spent ten years taking up the time of thousands and thousands of u.s. service members and their families and my family's had to suffer over this, too. but we're very relieved that this one component of al qaeda that we finally put the nail in the coffin of al qaeda. and now the infrastructure's going to come tumbling down and we can see what else we can do. >> you think the inf