richard engsle and malcolm nance. pete, what did you learn off camera?> reporter: i'm just going to give this to you quick, chuck. here's what he said. he declined -- he said this that part you saw, he declined to specify which organization they were motivated by. we asked if it was isis, and he wouldn't say. he look, this investigation, we're just 50 hours in and they're there's a lot of things we don't know. they are facing this part of the investigation looking at phone records e e-mail records. the electronic devices were badly damaged. he said yes, farook was in contact with people we've investigated in the past, but there's nothing about those contacts that seemed concerning at the time or raised their profile. a couple of other quick points. he said the person that bought the rifle for syed farook is not a suspect. somebody else bought the rifles and farook and his wife got it from that person. he's not a suspect. he couldn't say whether the couple targeted specifically their colleagues at that center or had some other targets in mind and were goi

malcolm nance, thank you as always for your expertise. when we return let me finish with the difference between great politics and gamesmanship. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> let me finish tonight with the difference between great politics and gamesmanship. politicians should propose what they believe is good for the country. is that too simple a notion? the people running for office should stick to advocating the policies they actually believe in. and does anyone really believe that donald trump thinks it would be good policy for the united states to deny entry to this country anyone who follows the faith of islam? how would you possibly decide? would a u.s. immigration official be responsible for separating the true believers from those who simply look like they come from a country with a large islamic population? and what about those who come from a largely christian or buddhist country? how would the person at arrivals at the airport know the person standing next in line is a muslim? so just off the bat it wo

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. >>> terrorism expert malcolm nance and ayman mohyeldin with me here in the studio. thank you for being with us. let's start with you, malcolm. you're nodding along at some of this. some of the things at the news conference is news and some of it filling in the dots we were presuming for hours. >> yeah. you're absolutely right. well, for the most part, the fbi has got to keep a lid on the intelligence they want to get out. i mean, we now know some point she was radicalized and they were both radicalized. i don't believe that there was a plot and isis or al qaeda actually married her into the organization and so -- into this -- >> purposefully sent her. >> of course. that's very hard to infiltrate an agent like that and takes a great period of planning. i believe richard is right. they were radicalized after the announcement of the caliphate and operated in isolation as she would. she came from saudi arabia. he kept her in the house. wouldn't allow her outside. no one has actually seen her and that would be indicative of someone who's a little more orthodox than even m

joining us now is malcolm nance. he's a former u.s. counterterrorism and intelligence officer. now the executive director of the terror asymmetrics project. his next book is called "defeating isis." malcolm, it's good to see you. thanks for being here. >> always good to see you, rachel. >> i understand you as part of your work are going to be training some domestic tactical units on counterterrorism techniques and approaches. what are the big principles you that think need to be used for that kind of stuff in the united states right now? >> well, we actually do have a lot of capacity, as you said. ever since that period in the 1970s, you know, when the first s.w.a.t. team started evolving after the munich olympics and all the, as you said, american hijackings, a lot of american terrorist groups, small-scale terrorist groups like the sds. that capacity has grown over that period of time. and then you accelerate that to the period post-9/11 where we decided to have this capacity in virtually every city, not just with the federal level but also with the state and local level. there

malcolm nance, what is it about this report that is different from everything you've seen in studyingup to now? >> well, i have to commend george washington university. i believe it's a brilliant report. and what's most significant for the american public to understand is now we've taken this deep look at how the isis supporters, what we call their fan boys, their base of operators in the united states communicate with each other and how they support and radicalize themselves from within the virtual world that they live in. >> seamus hughes, what should we take from this report. there's one way of looking at it gee, we know an awful lot about what isis is trying to do here. and you were able to obtain an awful lot of information that seems to show that we've got them tracked. we kind of see what they're up to. >> yeah, so we looked at about 7,000 pages of legal documents to get a sense of what isis looks like. and it defies easy analysis. the average age is 26. but a number of cases are 21 years or younger. there's 900 active investigations in all 50 states .we found arrests in each 2

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joining us now is malcolm nance. he's a former u.s. counterterrorism and intelligence officer. now the executive director of the terror asymmetrics project. his next book is called "defeating isis." malcolm, it's good to see you. thanks for being here. >> always good to see you, rachel. >> i understand you as part of your work are going to be training some domestic tactical units on counterterrorism techniques and approaches. what are the big principles you that think need to be used for that kind of stuff in the united states right now? >> well, we actually do have a lot of capacity, as you said. ever since that period in the 1970s, you know, when the first s.w.a.t. team started evolving after the munich olympics and all the, as you said, american hijackings, a lot of american terrorist groups, small-scale terrorist groups like the sds. that capacity has grown over that period of time. and then you accelerate that to the period post-9/11 where we decided to have this capacity in virtually every city, not just with the federal level but also with the state and local level. there

joining us now is malcolm nance. he's a former u.s. counterterrorism and intelligence officer. tive director of the terror asymmetrics project. his next book is called "defeating isis." malcolm, it's good to see you. thanks for being here. >> always good to see you, rachel. >> i understand you as part of your work are going to be training some domestic tactical units on counterterrorism techniques and approaches. what are the big principles you think that need to be used for that kind of stuff in the united states right now? >> well, we actually do have a lot of capacity, as you said. ever since that period in the 1970s, you know, when the first s.w.a.t. team started evolving after the munich olympics and all the, as you said, american hijackings, a lot of american terrorist groups, small-scale terrorist groups like the sds. that capacity has grown over that period of time. and then you accelerate that to the period post-9/11 where we decided to have this capacity in virtually every city, not just with the federal level but also with the state and local level. there is a lot of

i want to bring in nbc analyst malcolm nance.th the investigation before we go into other things. at this point in time, we're far enough away from the attacks, if we haven't found an international connection, is it fair to say there probably isn't one? >> no, i don't think that at all. i think what's going on and the attorney general made it very clear, they're being very deliberate about how they do this. we have a lot of national intelligence assets, that's, you know, the national security agency, the central intelligence agency, spatial intelligence, all of these agencies are doing a scrub of time lines. and their collection does stop at the border of the united states. and they have to marry up with whatever collection the fbi is doing in local intelligence, law enforcement, bring that backwards to see -- >> so it still could take time to start connecting dots? >> absolutely. you'll connect those dots, but now as we're getting physical intelligence, money transfers, the weapons themselves inside the united states, only then

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joining me is malcolm nance, counterterrorism consultant to the u.s. government and executive director of the terror asymmetrics project. and linda, executive director of the arab-american association of new york and co-founder of power of change, a grassroots movement that works towards building political power in the american muslim community. thank you both for being here. so malcolm, i have talked with you before about wanting to define terrorism more broadly or in ways that encompass more actionings that we see in the world. is it also reasonable to try to expand this definition of radicalization? >> you know, i find it fascinating this is the most looked up word in the dictionary. it should be patently obvious what it means to radicalize. i think the fbi may even be making a term know logical mistake here. what they should be saying is terror radicalization. you have to put it in context. we come from a nation of protests. just today, i was looking at a photograph of woody guthrie who always kept on his guitar a sticker that says this machine kil

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malcolm nance is on the phone with us, one of the voices we turn to as a security expert in times like this. it seems to me we have this investigation going on an electronic front to find out who this is, where it originated, where it was routed through, how sophisticated or not and we see here today again the definition of terrorism because this has all but terrorized a huge area of our country. >> you are absolutely right. the definition of terrorism is violence or threat of violence intended to influence an audience beyond the immediate victims. this is clearly the easiest form of terrorism there is to perform which is writing a letter which may or may not be a hoax but terrorist cells generally don't send a message ahead of time. they will just carry out the attack. so in this instance, someone has decided that it was just easier to threaten both new york and los angeles, i understand, just to see what the effect would be and they have achieved their effect. >> yeah. i have been trying to explain all morning to our viewers at least that traditionally in the news media, we don't rep

thank you very much, gene and robert and malcolm nance. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >>> tonight on "all in," -- >> something bad is happening. we can't be the stupid ones. >> a night after the president's call for vigilance and tolerance, the republican frontrunner calls for a complete ban on all muslims coming to america. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut-down of muslims entering the united states. >>> tonight, san bernardino and the politics of fear. >> i don't know if sand can glow in the dark, but we are pea going to find out. >>> more resignations and dash-cam video. now the feds are going to

. >>> i want to bring in malcolm nance, an msnbc contributor and counterterrorism intelligence consultant. i appreciate your being with us as we are now hearing of this arrest of this 25-year-old emanuel lechman planning allegedly to attack new year's eve in a restaurant or bar in rochester. you have so many people who are already on edge as far as the public, and different celebrations overnight, but you have this one considered a soft target, not times square but a bar in rochester. tell us a little about what that says about the intelligence community in making this arrest right on new year's eve day. >> right. well, as we said in the last segment, there's going to be a lot of intelligence, a lot of law enforcement out tonight. as you read the criminal complaint against the alleged terrorist, it appears that he was handled in a very careful manner by someone who is believed to be a member of isis who is overseas. they call it an overseas individual. and this is the problem with the united states. it is very hard to infiltrate in a dedicated terrorist cell who is going to carry out an o

. >>> let's bring in malcolm nance, executive director of the terror asymmetrics project and he's the "defeating isis, who they are, and what they believe." so investigators in the san bernardino case, they're trying to determine where and when syed farook and tashfeen malik became radicalized. were they radicalized separately and then brought together by ideologically? what do we know? >> we don't know a lot. but this occurred around the time of 2010, 2011. 2011 was a very dynamic time in the middle east. it was the rise of the arab spring and the start of the fall of dictators. the jihadist movement tends to fill in voids and vacuums when you have the large uprisings and there were a lot of atrolsties going on. it was the rise of isis from al qaeda in iraq. there was a lot of militancy happening in the world and they may have thought that this was the most islamicly perfect world that they wanted to go to. and became radicalized individually and met each other online and became like minded husband and wife later. >> and the husband and wife part is what i want to talk about because

joining me, malcolm nance, a career counterterrorism and intelligence officer, david ignatius, editorialnist and ari melber, chief legal correspondent for msnbc. ari, first to you. to your exclusive reporting today, the whole question of social media postings and what homeland does. as we now know, it was erroneously reported that homeland and the state department had ignored social media postings by tashfeen malik. it turns out she hadn't. there had been only direct messages which were not as accessible. but this is a memo that you have obtained showing that homeland decided against pursuing those social media contexts. >> that's right. we know this was not an issue in san bernardino attacks, it is not being suggested in our reporting here that somehow this would have prevented that. it is not that kind of question. yet as the question around how we are vetting people entering the country has gained more and more currency and steam, what we have obtained today exclusively is a draft memorandum from 2011 according to a former senior dhs official which did not become policy but went throu

let's bring in malcolm nance, msnbc contributor and executive director of the terror asymmetrics project, author of the book "defeating isis." good to have you again this hour. lot of things to talk about. i want to first get your thoughts on the breaking news out of rochester, the man suspected of planning to kill civilians in a terror plot targeting an upstate new york restaurant. what do you make of that? >> well, it's a very interesting plot. as we were discussing a little earlier, this is all about collecting intelligence on people who may have an intention to carry out an act of terrorism. if you read the u.s. attorney's criminal complaint against emanuel lutchman, you will clearly see that there was a very large amount of intelligence collection. he has been in contact with members of isis overseas, according to the complaint, as late as november and this month in december. but for the most part, it's very interesting, he has no resources and he constantly is asking for people to provide him with these resources. isis is very mistrusting of him and asked him to carry out some act

now let me bring in malcolm nance. he's on the phone. he's the executive director of terror ice metrics project, one of the leaders on isis and al qaeda. malcolm, thank you for your time. let's start with your reaction to this post reportedly from tashfeen malik pledging her support to isis. what does that add as far as what you believe happened here? >> well, for the last few days, i believe that it was always going to come down to whether she was radicalized. the key intelligence indicators on this for me came down to the point that she not only took part in this attack on a center for disabled people, it was trained to manipulate and fire a semiautomatic weapon, to operate handguns. she actually was the one who was doing the battling out of the back of the suv as they were trying to take her down. this is an example of an extremely radicalized person who was going over to terrorism. now, it may be that she came to the united states, which was a completely different cultural environment than she was used to in saudi arabia, and then whe

miller, joining me by phone is malcolm nance, executive director of the terror asymmetrics project, career counterterrorism and intelligence officer. thank you very much for being with us. we have been talking about how unusual it is that this muslim woman, woman from pakistan meeting her husband online, then getting married at the grand mosque in mecca, would be participating as an active partner, maybe even the instigator of what is increasingly looking like a terror attack. >> well, it is unusual. and i believe that this morning, the head of the -- former head of the cia counterterrorism center mentioned [ inaudible ] but in my experience, when i was in iraq, we had husband and wife suicide bomber teams, including westerners from europe who had joined their husbands and carried out these acts. that was al qaeda in iraq which is now called isis. so it's quite possible that as a radicalized person, she may have been more excited at the prospect of dying in an attack or participating in an attack. she certainly was a shooter, rear gunner, so to speak, when the police tried to bring down th

joining me now for more on the fight against isis is malcolm nance, executive director of the terrorct and author of "defeating isis." thank you for being here. start with this news. we are seeing the iraqi army make gains. could this be a turning point in the war against isis? >> it could be. i think that this is really important to understand that the iraqi army on the ground, the iraqi counterterrorism force and the iraqi special forces and iraqi armed forces, without shia militias are actually doing all the heavy fighting in ramadi. with u.s. air support. >> explain why that's so important, malcolmalcolm. >> it's important because we don't have to be on the ground and they are actually showing the capacity to go and take the fight on the street and counter isis' offensive capability. the secretary of defense made this comment a year ago after two iraqi divisions collapsed and ran. what we've seen now is that we've seen this year-long process where we will leadreal n the iraqi army are coming to the top and guys who really know how to fight. losers who were just there for politica

joining me now are malcolm nance, executive director of the terror project, linda, executive directoramerican association of new york, msnbc military analyst jack joacobs. and joining me from miami, dr. metzel, director of health and society at vanderbilt society and director of the state project which focuses on gun violence as a public health issue. i want to ask you this question, how is it that fear affects our individual psyche? is there kind of a collective aspect to that as well? >> i think it's a great question. it's a question many people are asking at the present moment. i think partially it's because in the aftermath of acts of terror, there is something incredibly unpredictable in a way. we can't predict mass shootings. very often, we hear these shootings of, you know, this person was living the american dream as the reporter before said. so there's this sense that we can't keep our family safe, that how can we predict this if we're not safe at movie theaters, in churches, in places of work and holiday parties? it's important to remember that even though it's very hard to

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joining me now, malcolm nance, executive director of the terror isometrics project.n a book "defeating isis." thank you for being with hee. >> good morning. >> ash carter testified special ops would be sent into syria and allowed to act unilaterally. will we see a slide toward more troop commitments overseas? >> i think the secretary has laid out that he has a very specific footprint that he wants to put over there right now which involves the -- bringing in several hundred more troops. but to do more offensive operations. we already have a pretty big foot print there right now with people who are doing training missions. we may need to expand the training mission in order for those forces, the iraqi, kurdish and other forces to link up with our special forces so they can do these very advanced and deep missions inside of syria. >> will they be able to do that? is there anybody else in the region that could do that job like the americans could do? >> there are some forces who have capability, however, it would require something a little more advanced. in my book i wr