. >> hugh hewitt, and malcolm nance former intelligence officer, combat veteran and msnbc contributor. the author of the new book that donald trump claims he is reading. >> you can't tell he's read anything about isis. >> well, if we had more time, i would put forward my proposition. you could say it's bin laden, you can say al bagada. and i think a lot of republicans and a lot of democrats will agree that the decision to cut and run from iraq in 2011 was disastrous and hillary clinton owns it alone with president obama for allowing them to spring up. founder is a term i think is abridged too far. but donald trump is messaging this a different way. i've got to go back to this very quickly, larry. >> yeah. >> pete is a friend of mine. he's a never trumper. it's tie in iowa, florida, ohio. donald trump needs to make a continue to make course corrections. i think the whole founder thing was an effort to turn the page from the fiasco that i began, did you begin to insight violence against secretary clinton. we talked about the supreme court. we reassured conservatives he'll stick to it. w

i want to talk to howard fineman whose global editorial director and malcolm nance, national security expert at msnbc analyst, and i thought, howard, that kristin asked the question a lot of people have been asking recently is why on sunday, after her statements about what was said i did fbi director comey did she -- given four pinoccios by the washington post why she repeated them essentially on a sunday talk show. i wonder what you thought of her explanation in this press conference overall. >> well, i thought you saw several stages of hillary clinton there. you saw the all the different types of hillary clinton. the first one an answer to kristin's very appropriate question, was the maddeningly hair splitting overly legalistic and fundamentally wrong hillary clinton that has led to her having the poll numbers that she has on trust and likability. the fact is, there were a lot of -- there was a lot of classified material going back and forth. and to pin it on the exact two or three e-mails that she's splitting hairs about is really to miss the point, but when the clintons get backed

joining me now professor of international affairs and national security expert malcolm nance. d malcolm, let me begin with you, if vladimir putin is complicit in the leaks, what does he stand to gain from helping trump? >> well, i think that this is a very long-ball, old-school of vladimir putin that is playing and if you read "the washington post" today these type of shenanigans have been cared out in -- carried out in europe regularly. and with trump, he hopes to gain quite a bit of objectives that could never been reached during the soviet era when he was an ex-kgb. he would gain the fracturing of fwh nato and theuran union and united states as a junior partner rubber stamping all of their goals so it would make great sense for russian intelligence to make a play to get their man elected. >> from the assessment of the u.s. government they believe russia has been involved in this hack. two-part question, one, do you believe it is state actors reason russia behind the hacks or could it be a private nongovernment affiliated hacker and are you at all concerned whoever it behind

. >> evan, stand by, i want to bring in malcolm nance, also a terrorism analyst. alcolm, wha evan was talking about, lone wolf inspiration, does this do anything to change the operation of isis or as we've seen over the years, someone just rises up to fulfill the post of the person latest kill. >> that's the supposition that's often made in the media, we go around and kill off some of these top leaders and somebody just rises to his post and everything goes business as usual. evan made have good points earlier about al adnani, he's one of the senior members of isis. he was in 2005 to 2010, the place we called jihadi war college, where future leadership of isis got all their experie e experience. however, there's something to be said about killing leadership. it forces a low grade lieutenant who doesn't have the knowledge and can't fill the shoes of someone like al adnani. he had a large quantity of corporate knowledge of isis simply because we were killing off most of the leadership the last two years. we've degraded about 70% of all the original senior leaders of

analyst howard fineman, global editorial director of the huffington post, msnbc terrorism analyst malcolm nance and conservative talk show host dana laesch. before we get into technical stuff, what did you make, howard, of trump's claim that hillary clinton lacks the physical or mental stamina to do the job of fighting terrorism? >> i think he's doing whatever he can to widen the gender gap even further. because the implication here is i think just under the table a little bit, you know, i'm a man, i can take on the bad guys, she's a woman, maybe she can't. >> what do you make of that, dana? >> i don't know necessarily if it has anything to do with the gender gap. >> what does it have to do with, then? >> i don't know. i don't know if he's going after -- i don't think you even need to bring in her health or stamina. i think you just look at her foreign policy record. >> why is he bringing in her stamina, lack of physical and mental stamina? why bring that up in a speech on foreign policy? a direct shot at her personal ability to do the job. >> i didn't write the speech, i don't climb into his h

. >> and back with me now, nina provena and malcolm nance. and let me pick up on that point.that the president's withdrawal led to isis and before president obama was in isis trump was calling for the u.s. to withdraw. take a look at this interview with cnn. >> how does the united states get out of this situation? >> how do they get out. you know how they get out. they get out. declare sictory and leave. this is a total cat astrophe an you might as well get out now because you are just wasting time -- and lives. >> so malcolm, you know that part of the world very well and you know the iraq conflict in particular very well. how true is it that the withdrawal of troops led to the rise of isis. >> flat out wrong. sorry. in 2007 i wrote a book in iraq about the entire intelligence and terrorist structure of the iraq insurgency. isis existed two years after the invasion of iraq. in 2003 al qaeda and iraq was formed by zarquawi and in 2005 we killed him and then the two follow leaders, nussry and al baghdadi and that led to the rise of abu backer and tren went to the islamic state

to my left -- to my far right is malcolm nance. he is known to most of you as a frequent commentator. he has written numerous books. he teaches counterterrorism, worked in the field for 35 years. he has worked in iraq. he has a new book, considered by many as the bible of what isis is all about. it is called "defeating isis." [applause] finally, we have my very good friend and colleague lawrence wright, his book is out today. could not be more timely given the 15 year anniversary. it is a compilation of many things he has written on terrorism, extremism, counterterrorism. so beautifully written. you should read this one. we are doing a lot of things tonight and one of them is celebrating the publication of that book. let's get started. [applause] let's get started. we will start with the big question. i will try to bring it down to smaller questions. if i can see you, i will do a q&a. the big question is -- has terrorism -- is terrorism or has terrorism changed our way of life? i will start with malcolm. i would not say it exactly

to my left -- to my far right is malcolm nance. he is known to most of you as a frequent commentator. books.written numerous counterterrorism, worked in the field for 35 years. he has worked in iraq. he has a new book, considered by as the bible of what isis is all about. isis."alled "defeating [applause] finally, we have my very good friend and colleague lawrence wright, his book is out today. timely givenmore the 15 year anniversary. compilation of many things he has written on terrorism, extremism, counterterrorism. so beautifully written. you should read this one. we are doing a lot of things tonight and one of them is celebrating the publication of that book. let's get started. [applause] let's get started. we will start with the big question. i will try to bring it down to smaller questions. if i can see you, i will do a q&a. the big question is -- has terrorism or has terrorism changed our way of life? i will start with malcolm. i would not say it exactly like that. i will not say anything. go ahead, malcolm. malcolm: i will

joining me now, malcolm nance and former white house middle east expert hillary mann leverett. lk about this continuing inside team trump. paul manafort may be gone, but one of his top aides, malcolm, in his firm that worked with the pro-russian-ukrainian government is still working with the campaign, still has general flynn with him today, periodically. in your view, is there still a sort of pro putin contingent inside of team trump? >> well, i think the entire, you know, component, every component of donald trump's praise of russia have affected not only the people inside his organization, but his own thoughts and views on russia itself. i think this story and i think i've been hammering this for about five weeks now, this story has yet to even open up. the fact that manafort resigned and now we find out there's a federal investigation, wait until this moves on to a counterintelligence investigation to where they may suspect that someone was an agent of influence or actually a directly handled agent of russia, and we've already seen there's been reporting that one of paul mana