. —— malcolm shaw kc. he said that it case. —— malcolm shaw kc.titis case. —— malcolm shaw kc. he said that it is an outrageous allegation, israel said earlier that hamas was seeking genocide against israel. i think the feed has come back now. let's try again. think the feed has come back now. let's try again-— let's try again. israel to act in order to defend _ let's try again. israel to act in order to defend itself - let's try again. israel to act in order to defend itself so - let's try again. israel to act in order to defend itself so as i let's try again. israel to act in order to defend itself so as to j order to defend itself so as to terminate the threats against it and rescue the hostages certainly exists. the intent to deal with the armed militants of hamas and other such groups is undeniable. where it is the case, which we deny, that israeli forces have transgressed some of the rules of conflict, then the matter will be tackled at the appropriate time by israel's robust and independent legal system. but thatis and independent legal sys

malcolm shaw, i mean it was quite extraordinary, wasn't it? it was, i mean, he's got, he's got a tough hand to play and he played it very badly, so i mean there he is, you saw in the film there, shuffling his papers, not sure where he was and he actually said in the court, you someone shuffled my papers, indeed, it's supposed to be top, top kc, i mean, and and there we are, that's the best that israel could come up with, but of course it's a it's a very difficult hand to play because everybody in the... world can see that this is genocide and there's no question about that and uh we have to only wait and see what the what the court itself makes of it. no indeed. well sam, mean i wonder what you can say mean can can you can you believe that that even while delivering their case the israelis bombed lebanon and committed a massacre, another massacre in carnus at exactly the same time. yeah, it's extraordinary, but it is part of pattern with them um... when the un general assembly overwingly voted uh for a cease fire, you saw a similar spike in at

malcolm, malcolm shaw? i mean, it was quite extraordinary, wasn't it? it was, i mean, he's got, he's got a tough hand to play, and he played it very badly, so i mean there he is, you saw in the film there, shuffling his papers, not sure where he was and he actually said in the court, yes, someone shuffled my paper. indeed, it's supposed to be top q, supc, mean, and and there we are, that that's the best that israel could come up with, but you know, of course it's a it's a very difficult hand to play because everybody in the world can see that this is genocide, and there's no question about that, and uh, we have to only wait and see what they what the court itself makes of it, no, indeed. well, some, i mean, i wonder what you can say, i mean, can, can you, can you believe that that even while delivering their case, the israelis bombed lebanon? and committed massacre, another massacre in karn unis at exactly the same time. yeah, it's extraordinary, but it is part of pattern with them. um, when the un general assembly overringly voted uh for a cease fire,

israel's lawyer malcolm shaw from leicester university in britain came across as unorganized and arrogant. "someone has shuffled my papers," he grumbled as he staggered through his address. a widely criticized move took place when western news channels that ignored south africa's presentation at the international court of justice, live streamed israel's response to it an act of censorship. by omission, the german government has announced that it will seek to intervene in the international court of justice to support israel, possibly out of dread for its own fate as german armament sales to israel soored 100% in 2023 with fast tracking system established in october. as a result, germany not only continued to arm israel throughout its murderous war in gaza, but even increase sales to boost israel's. ability to kill, former british ambassador to uzbekistan, craig murray argued the result of the trial at the hague will define the integrity of the institution. israel is not on trial here, what's on trial is actually the international court itself. david, i mean they say that one of the hardest

israel's lawyer malcolm shaw from leicester university in britain came across as unorganized and arrogant. "someone has shuffled my papers," he grumbled as he staggered through his address. a widely criticized move took place when western news channels that ignored south africa's presentation at the international court of justice, live streamed israel's response to it an act of censorship by omission. the german government has announced that it will see. to intervene in the international court of justice to support israel, possibly out of dread for its own faith, as german armmen sales to israel soored a th00% in 2023, with fast tracking system established in october. as a result, germany not only continued to arm israel throughout its murderous war in gaza, but even increase sales to boost israel's ability to kill former british ambassador to uzbekistan. murray argued the result of the trial at the hague will define the integrity of the institution. israel is not on trial here, what's on trial is actually the international court itself. david, i mean they say that one of the hardest aspe

obviously it was how much is the rose lawyer, malcolm shaw loses his papers of the hague. along with his dignity canyon, the high court advocated benedict. what sir? i told or see that the international court of justice law suits against israel, has set some ground breaking wheels in motion. the biggest thing is the electric i did use the did is that remove the bits for the vision of funded state from us for missing permission from allies. for me, most of all adults from finally doing i need you to know the issues or rules and the event the present. the everyday is i do. ringback is he's right, so we is one of those are the best love seat, anything the defense then the i c j. we have the know or to not to but to find is that i'm caught above me for a dental save in policy. i know that out of the minutes, the use of the united initial security council, we have to make a decision to take up position. again. this is red effecting the i c d. uh doug middle up mrs. i really don't see with us the beautiful i do vision from the i c j. the house that is opposing 0 side will for us

obviously it was him, us. israel's lawyer, malcolm shaw loses his papers at the hague, along with his dignity. well, when it comes to south africa support for the palestinians, it goes by decades. in 1994, they have to be released from prison. on to apartheid later, nelson mandela said the african nation had a lot in common with the palestinian push for independence. we identified with the piano because just like our sites, they are fighting for the right to fund determination as active as granddaughter. and they like come and dialogue told us that south africa is in a unique position to move a global opinion against what israel is now doing to the palestinians. but i'm expecting is for the 6 fire, you know why they might decisions. they come up with the add to it to, and photos through as to how long it will take your cases and put it by, you know, i don't know. i'm not expecting it to take that much wrong with a, with what something you guys up because, you know, we have people i, well, i certainly hopeful that they have been voted from the apache times to now i tell you coke that t

obviously it was how much is the rules lawyer malcolm shaw loses his papers up the hague, along with his dignity when it comes to south africa support for the palestinians and goes back decades in 1990. shortly after being released from prison, anti apartheid leader and nelson mandela said the african nation had a lot in common with the palestinian push for independence. we identify with the piano because just like our side, they are fighting for the right to fund determination. we spoke to as active as granddaughter and did i come in dallas, who told us that the south africa is in a unique position to move global opinion against what israel is now doing so the palestinians have started to be able to to, to intervene because the re i base case, best case study, the best pictures of what, how you gain the mattress. what i'm expecting is for this is for you, you know, why they might decisions. they come up with the add to it too, and for that this is like, you know, 2 to 3 to use, you know, a e to comments intends all email recording says via tools to mitigate, to, to, to sit, to a sho

i want to bring that point that more one was making to you is the point that malcolm shaw was making. he's saying look, if there is intent is central to genocide without intent. there is no genocide, that's the definition of it, of genocide and the statements by israeli officials, top to bottom, that have been brought forward and relied upon by south africa. do not show intent, therefore there is no genocide. therefore there is no case. what do you make of that argument of them? i don't think the argument's very well made to be honest. the, the, the statements that were outlined in the intent section of the case yesterday by fell africa, clearly showed, talks a rhetoric from government officials about she with animals about a destroying guys and all of them. they went giving concrete examples of intent. so the argument today is that these are, you know, statements of anguish and, and anyway, maybe they don't have any control over the military where they're not part of the war cabinets. but that's not what we're going to look for. and when we get to the merits stage of intense, you're

israel, the judge, the actual case, the lead figure is another british brought restore, named malcolm shaw. no, i wouldn't want to make as a preliminary remark that the south african delegation, even though it was very actual or i made a very incredible presentation. it was at a serious disadvantage because the is really delegation, did not get a written submission. me job being the case solver, i forgot, didn't have a clue what the is really is would be arguing. whereas the is really, is have the double advantage. the number one, the south africans submitted a complaint. what mean to $84.00 pages? so okay, so we always know exactly what arguments would be made, right? consequences like those are the, are we just way way out of time? can i just just write this question? not you just as we wind up, how do you think the 4 things will pan out on the next few days as well, my guess is v is really is, are not going to argue the facts because the facts and so overwhelmingly against them too. they're going to try to argue the law. they're going to say, even though all of your facts are true, it s