and malcolm stewart said, yes, i think we can ban a book and in the courtroom, there was a sort of hush. ban a book? are you kidding now there is a long debate that has gone on whether malcolm stewart did the right thing or not, i happen to think it was not the right answer but it transformed the case, and the conservatives said, look, we have got to drive a dagger through this law, because of the risk to free speech and because of reasons i tell in the story they reargue the case months later, the new solicitor-general named elaina kagan argued it and tried to save it but by that point the conservatives were really out to get the mccain feingold law and they wound up killing it, most of it. >> rose: but the point here is that it became an argument f beinab to spend a whole lot of money on political campaigns. >> right. at the heart of citizens united is a metaphor, which is, spending money is equivalent to speech, spending money is like carrying a sign or giving a speech, that if you interfere with spending an individual or even a corporation spending money, it is like telling them tha