malcolm turnbull joins me now. you called rupert murdoch the most dangerous -- more dangerous than a vladimir putin to american democracy. how so? >> there is no individual alive that has done more to divide america then rupert murdoch. fox news is the dominant cable news service. it's business model is to make people angry it is really entertainment. they have no concern about the truth. the lie about the stolen election was the most dangerous consequential lie told in american politics in any of our lifetimes. your country was founded on a armed insurrection against the legitimate government. that is what the tea party was all about. there is murdoch, and his crew, telling americans that their government -- joe biden, the president, was illegitimate. saying that to the american people is like screaming out fire in a crowded theater. he did that knowing that it would have terrible consequences. >> fox news has a hold, legitimately, on a percentage of the public we are talking before the show came on about the fact