we'll try to unpack the long-term cost to the soul and safety of our national with the head of maldef thomas saenz, maldef president thomas saenz coming up in a moment. ♪ >>> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. ♪ >>> whatever you think of president trump, he is doing exactly what he said he would do. many think his actions are at best xenophobixenophobic, at wo unconstitutional. thomas saenz is head of one of the leading civil rights organizations. i'm pleased to have him back on this program. how are you today? >> under the circumstances, i'm doing okay, buddy. it's been a busy week. >> it has. what do you make of all the protests, all the signs, all chants in places across the country, indeed around the world? what do you make of what you saw? >> i think it apes strong indication that there is -- it's a strong indication that there is no mandate for the actions donald trump has taken so far. i hope that it will cause him and his legal advisers to slow down a bit. there are serious constitutional problems about what he's done and what he intends