mali has become awash in arms.ts of it have been taken over by true radicals and there's concern that's not going to stop in mali, that it will spread further to nigeria and other countries. so i don't think there's much appetite for massive military intervention but working with locals, training up government forces, these are possibilities. >> brown: that's a sense of what the-- i was going to ask you what can be done in an area like that? what's on the table. >>? >> there are a couple things that can be done. one thing is improving regional cooperation. you have a number of week governments and it's almost like the old westerns where cooperation sometimes stops at the borders so part of it is getting governments to work together and the united states can facilitate it. part of it is making the government mrs. competent what the they do and part of it is putting pressure on them to take action. but all that said it's very tough. >> brown: just to go back one more time to hillary clinton making the direct link to

that those are the weapons that then came into mali?country. >> there were a lot of bands roaming there, but there were not these sophisticated -- when it comes to weaponry. we had a sophisticated weapon from the libyan army smuggled into the desert by groups. and they have now taken foothold and don't want to let go. and it is so -- those weapons are so sophisticated that the malian army doesn't stand a chance to fight against them. >> when you say they d't stand a chance, is it fair to say if the united states and the u.n. do not get involved, that they could take over the entire country, they could take over other countries? >> actually, we are at the point now that every night i'm worried that this guy would have the idea to come a little further south, because they know that our army, even though people have the will to fight, doesn't have the weapon to face these guys. >> and one final question for you. some of the fighters that we spoke with spoke about -- and said they had proof that some of the aid coming to these islamic radic

talk about is that many of those who fought in libya now went to the area and are now fighting in mali for example were we have no sort of a civil war you know some really extreme muslim took over the north a part of mali many of those fought before that and worked with weapons everything were trained in libya so we see sort of the fallout of this war in libya in the neighboring countries is there a chance that the type of situation we see right now in libya it could be repeated in syria as of today the situation for me in syria looks much worse than in libya because i mean the whole environment you know with the middle east conflict lebanon is one problem the other problem is that right now there seems to be so many other countries who have their own interests within syria supporting one side or the other turkey with a kurdish problem so they are supporting the movement just to prevent the kurds within syria to have their own you know autonomy then you have the gulf states supporting the rebels you have the cia on the ground you have german spy ship something i mean this seems to be t

you've spent time in mali in the past. you've been briefed on the situation in benghazi. at that briefing, were you told that al-qaeda linked groups were responsible? >> we always have to be careful repeating what we're told in classified settings, but basically, we were told something that goes along with its consistent with what the administration was saying publicly an that was that was a upon tan yous mob, got out of hand and there wasn't consequenc consequences. doesn't make much sense if you look at common sense. the fact it was 9/11. the fact it was a highly organized attack. that's before you get into the evidence it just didn't really add up. >> i remember asking that night. people on our program. 9/11. it can't be a coincidence and people were trying to say it was and it didn't seem to add up. can you think of a reason though they wouldn't have told you if they had found out, why would they not have said so publicly? >> i don't know, erin. i'm really perplexed about that. it is true al-qaeda has been di finished, but as you point out, al-qaeda has grown, become

it's an sardin in mali. it's it's al qaeda in mali and nigeria. they have essentially taken control of northern mali right now. some of these groups have al qaeda in their name. some of them do not. but what matters to the united states right now is not just names. what matters to the united states right now not just in terms of our interest in how things broadly go in other parts of the world but in terms of our own national security as americans is how much these groups and others like this are interested in and moving toward international terrorism. how much they are interested not just in the local concerns that make them a plague to their host governments, and the civilians who are in their way, but how much their ideology turns their interest and their targeting toward us. toward western targets. i do not mean to be harsh about this, but what we are looking for as a nation in terms of the narrowest conception of our national security, is where is the overlap between militant trained, armed, organized fighting groups and anti-american ideolog

we went to mali in july to report on militants that have taken over the northern part of the country. from your point of view, do you think we should regret what we did in libya? the intervention that's caused so many weapons to go missing, to go all around north africa, al qaeda, to rise in such a broad region? >> the one mistake we made. those of us were voices of this from very early on, was not securing the weapons systems that were there. we knew they had anti-aircraft weapons, they had a whole catch spread across the country. dictators aren't worried about external threats, they're worried about internal threats. once it happened and there was a period of chaos, this became an arms bizarre. it's not unusual to understand you had al qaeda, you had other groups, aquim, which is affiliated with al qaeda. you have generations of contraband and weapons sales and all of those things coming in saying, we're going to get ourselves some weapons. and i have argued privately and publicly, that mali was the first victim of the libyan revolution in the sense that those weapons ended up in th

the secretary of state gave a speech about mali.ences to al qaeda and the group, and because of that "the new york times" wrote this story saying she is linking the two. senior aides to the secretary of state say she absolutely does not have the evidence to assert that link right now. remember, the fbi has to make the determination. they're still not in benghazi. the state department will say, though, that al qaeda called aqim very active in the region and they're up in arms coming from mali into libya and this is one of the countries where you have a new government that isn't fully in control of the area. >> they don't have the evidence and waiting for the fbi to investigate and do they have anything that suggests there might be a link? >> they don't say that they have evidence either way. what they do know and will talk about is that one of the extremist groups in the area who is believed to be behind this, but they still do not have the evidence to assert that at this point may have some relationship with al qaeda. they just can'

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president of france said we cannot just stand by while terrorists take over mali, northern africa whichas been under salt by islamist extremists. in his interview, barack obama says middle east and northern africa is moving toward an area of peace and prosperity. he has stuck his head in the sand. >> we turn to control of the senate and can scott brown hold on to ted kennedy's old seat or ♪ [ female announcer ] for everything your face has to face. face it with puffs facial tissues. puffs has air-fluffed pillows for 40% more cushiony thickness. face every day with puffs softness. >>. >> paul: turning to the bye for control of the united states senate. this week we look at the race in massachusetts. there republican senator 2009 brown is trying to hold on the seat by ted kennedy. it one democrats would like to take back. elizabeth warren, the brains behind obama's consumer protection bureau. we're back with our panel. so mary, very rare for a republican to hold the brown in a special election. what is his strategy to hold on to the seat? >> he is positioning himself as an independent, as

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airman, tually, we went to the border of mali in july to report on the al-qaeda link militas who have taken or the northern pt of the country. i'm just wondering from your point view,o we should regret what we did in lya, the inenthatt has caused so many weapons to go missinging, around north africa to get al-qaeda to rise in such a broad region? >> the one mistake we made, those of us who are voices of this early on is not securing the weapons systems that were there. we knew they had man pads. antiaircraft weapons and a whole cachet, all spread across the country. dictators aren't worried about extennell threats. the way they had the cachets all around the the country, once it happened and there was that period of chaos, this became an arms bizarre, so it's not unusual to understand you had al-qaeda, aqim from al giers, we'saying going to get ourselves some weapons and i have argued both privately and publicly that mali was the first victim of the libyan revolution in the hands of people trying to overthrow the government. so, yes, that was clearly a mistake. now, we're going to hav