i think malik wallace was an unbelievable question or. he made people feel comfortable in his interviews. i admire that. i think journalism is an activity. not just an identity. not just a protective class a priesthood. most people want journalism to be an identity. like a cartel. i can at meyer virtues from each of these different people. i can admire virtues of small alinsky, that -- why is o'keefe appreciating alinsky. there are vouchers inherent and all these people. daniel ellsberg almost to jail. they went to the supreme court. the washington post, the new york times, litigated this all the way up to the supreme court. i think whistleblowing can be heroic. you can also be illegal. at snowden can simultaneously be breaking a law, there is a place in the world for people like that. without people like that, investigate journalists cannot do their jobs. it is the bread and butter of what it means to be an american. that right, that right to report what someone tells you is being fundamentally fundamentally it is in jeopardy right now.