i said, let me talk to maliki. i called him, i said, are you sure, mr. prime minister, that you want to do it that quickly, because the islamic gathering takes place and there is a time of festivities, to hang someone at that time, usually you pardon of prisoners at that time, it is ,ot a time you hang people based on islamic traditions. he argued with me about exactly when this begins. it is based on shia, based on the sunnis celebrating. he also said that they have information that the terrorists or extremists were going to take over a few schools to bargain for saddam. the sooner we dealt with this problem, the better. so, i said, "let me talk to my management in washington and get back to you, prime minister." i talked to dr. rice, who was the secretary of state, and stephen hadley, who was the national security advisor on the phone. we discussed that i pointed out to them the risks that i see in antagonizing the broader islamic world, especially the sunnis. we made it sunnis support for iraq because of the composition of the population of iraq which

one things that makes him different than maliki. maliki was centralized in baghdad and his office. him, ou would meet with he had three phones on his desk, trying to control everything. frankly that can't work. the days of that overly centralized structure creates pressure cookers around the country and that can't work. abadi has a different philosophy. when he was coming to office, told me either iraq de-centralizes, or it was disintegrate. >> but not to point of breaking up iraq into flee parts? >> no. that gets to the susan tribes. he has been -- to the subey tribes. he has very supportive of getting local actors into the fight. that is central in our campaign against isil. you have seen that come to fruition in aun bar province. abnar proffibs, we have working with iraqi security forces and the tribes, 15,000 tribal fighters are mobilized. they have now cleared from madi, marched up the euphrates valley, up to a fortress of isil. just three days ago, even in the middle of this political crisis which has been going on, the tribes in anbar and the iraqi security forces broke a is

homeland. >> narrator: in the years since american troops had left, iraq's prime minister nuri al-maliki, a shia, had initiated a crackdown on the sunni population. >> the sunni arab tribes in iraq had become disillusioned with the shia-dominated government in baghdad. so there was widespread disaffection among the tribes. they began to engage in a series of protests against the regime. (gunfire) >> and these protests are violently crushed, and in such an environment, that enabled islamic state of iraq to rise up out of the ashes and sing "we will protect sunnis" from maliki. >> narrator: it was the moment baghdadi had been waiting for. >> where have the sunnis to go? there's only one place they can go. it is that residual of the insurgency that is now run by al-baghdadi. >> narrator: in early 2014, baghdadi's forces began the campaign to take iraq. >> the iraqi army, which was built at the incredible expense, i don't even know what the final price tag was-- $30 billion?-- largely by the americans, paid for by the american taxpayer, you know, all their equipment, everything, it all came

and one thing that makes abadi so much different than his predecessor maliki, maliki is kind of an extreme centralizer. not only centralized in baghdad but his office. he would have three phones. when you meet with him, he has three phones on his desk, constantly answering his phone trying to control everything from his office. >> rose: one to iran. probably. but that can't work. the days of that overly centralized structure, that creates pressure cookers around the country. that can't work. abadi has a different philosophy. when he was coming into office he told me and since said publicly that either iraq decentralizes or it will disintegrate. >> rose: not to the point of breaking up iraq into parts. >> no, federalism, which was called for in their constitution. he really believes in that and that gets to the sunni tribes. h he has been very supportive of getting local actors into the fight, and that's obviously central to our campaign strategy against i.s.i.l. so we've really seen it come to fruition is in anbar province. in anbar province, we have now working with the iraqi security for

lamb: and maliki is a shia. mr. khalilzad: right. mr. lamb: and what's the difference. i've asked that question to a has f guests but no one defined it, the difference sunni and a shia. mr. khalilzad: about 97% the fundamental difference is that who was the legitimate successor to the prophet. when the prophet died, mohammed, should have succeeded him. who hia believe that ali , was the son-in-law of the prophet prophet. mr. lamb: mohammed ali? mr. khalilzad: is mohammed ali, but ali, who was the first imam shias, he was married to the prophet's daughter, that he, ali, his father's name was abitalit. talit, should be the successor. sunnis believed, and this started right after the that the he prophet, community of the people around right to t had the appoint or select a successor, abubactor, the and s of the caliphateric, isis is talking about caliphate. ing the mr. lamb: which means what. mr. khalilzad: the ruler. the caliphate essentially means caliph.the that was the first offense that abubaka was nk that he usurper of the right successor to the prophet. there was ae

a real opportunity was missed with maliki.need to summit -- summon his inner mandela and did not do it. he, that situation more than any other paved the way for isis to come in, particularly into iraq. the sunnis said, maybe these guys will get us a better deal. al: what about intervening in a syria? senator king sen. king: we haved a friendly atmosphere for them. bbadi wants to do the right thing, but the politics are terrible. and you have got the shia militia, you have iran in the background. if they do not get their act together as a government in baghdad that includes sunnis and kurds, it is a hopeless fight. al: you are in a unique position, the only independent member in the united states congress. if you were king, who would you tap as president? who that we don't consider what impressed? -- would impress? sen. king: the guy that i have been most impressed with is tim kaine of virginia. he is prominently mentioned as a vice presidential candidate for hillary clinton. he was a successful -- he was a mayor, a governor, h

it was the maliki governance undertaking authority terry and -- authoritarian government. we can be successful with respect to our efforts, and i think we will be in terms rolling back isis and the feeding them. but it will be a short-term success for the faculty of noninclusive government again, which will lead to the same kind of dynamic. how do you value that a body, given this pressure that al-sabah is now bringing, one have the capacity to create a political the other religions? mr. donilon: it's concerning, but we need to support him in that effort. senator markey: you want the loyola prices -- low oil prices. we can't do anything about that but loyal -- lower them further. at the more likely direction. are you optimistic, in terms of ultimately what will unfold in iraq, can we give the support to a body and push back against al-sabah, does he have the will to push back against the iranians have directly have a stake in the instability in that country? mr. donilon: they have a big stake. at this point, he only identify the policy priority. i can judge from this dista

. >> if maliki had allowed for 10,000 american troops to stay in iraq, how, in your opinion, do you think that -- >> i think that would have made a big difference. i really do. i think it would have made a difference in -- it wouldn't have made a difference in whether or not the maliki government did what they should have done, which was to give the kurds and the sunnis a fair shake. they've never done that. they've been very, very partisan ever since the begin. this new government is less partisan, i think. >> thank you. >> let me turn to tom. >> thank you for weyour wisdom. >> senator, couple of things. number one, the governance efforts in baghdad are as important as the ainti-isisses t efforts outside of baghdad because the source is basically a failure of governance. politicizing the iraqi security forces which led to a great deterioration obviously. and we can be successful with respect to ourests and i think we will be in terms of rolling back isis and defeating them, but it will be a short-term success if, in fact, we have a noninclusive government again in baghdad which will lead

maliki promise to do something about it, but imprisoned those that complained.n so-called islamic state seized parts of the country, the government was powerless to respond. -- er r body -- crowds loyal to the country's most influential shiite cleric stormed the green zone and occupied parliament. they condemned the latest violent by the islamic state. american officials seem to be urging the politicians to get a grip. >> the recent attacks by daesh is the latest reminder of the danger that it poses to all iraqis from all communities. working together to stop the progress made by daesh continues. correspondent: they have retaken two thirds of the territory they lost to islamic state. but even if they are on the back of striking capable fear far beyond the territory it controls. katty: a miserable day in baghdad. in brazil, senators have been debating whether president dilma rousseff will face an impeachment trial. if the simple majority votes in favor she will automatically be suspended from office for six months. the president is accused of manipulating finance

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host: you are a sunni and maliki is a shia.ifference -- i have asked that question to a lot of guests, but no one has ever to find the difference between a sunni and a shia. mr. khalilzad: the fundamental who was thes legitimate successor to the profit question mark when the prophet died, mohammed, who should have succeeded him? ali, who waseve ,he son-in-law of the profit imammed ali was the first of the she is and was married to the prophets daughters. the sunnis believe that it started right after the death of the prophet. the first -- the sunnis have the caliphate -- even isis is talking about reestablishing the caliphate. host: and that is basically what? mr. khalilzad: that is basically the ruler. that was the first difference. ofy believe he was a usurper the right successor to the profit. afterward, there was a series of imams from the house of the profit. that is the fundamental fault line as to who is the ruler. --ouple of other differences how do you pray? there are some differences. it became much more significant,

it like for you just as an actor and somebody who embodied the character of kunta kinto to watch malikikable. i couldn't be happier with the actor and the person. he's such a remarkable human being. he's like a son and a brother to me, all in one. and i'm very excited. >> and so one of the things that is striking about the new one is the amount of time it's taken to show kunta kinte in his home and his development into a warrior and spending time with his parents and the culture. >> the richness of life for kunta before his capture and before the middle passage. we actually do have an opportunity to spend more time and that was, again, another reason to redo this, to really cement his life before he was enslaved. >> and one of the things that we -- you know, it's interesting. as i was getting ready to come in here today, the wonderful person that did my makeup, we were talking about the fact that the idea of revolt and rebellion is not played up enough for african-americans to understand the history of enslavement in a way that also builds in resistance. >> yes. >> so how important was

end intention maliki and that is non costly the awful way to make the communities better. >> ended is not exactly easy to get in and out of philadelphia. and those factors are very difficult for older adults. and can be quite problematic but maybe a are better off if there were no sidewalks to drive 3 miles or 5 miles to get to the supermarket. very different reasons better very isolating and problematic so the most vulnerable usually speak concerned and we recognize that but even those who have resources is extremely expensive if you have resources well beyond your means if you go into a retirement community it is not affordable for so many americans and that is a real stress but just don't wait until that moment to figure out how they're in the suburban areas where there is a town center and a main street that doesn't have to be planned for but is available and then you can make up half down to the park to watch the kids so we all need to think about publicly financed and assisting the communities because there will be a lot of seniors out there looking for places to live and hopefu

- i think the best evidence we have of this is that president abadi's predecessor, prime minister maliki, zpw pursue a rather ctarian governing agenda and the vulnerabilities in that agenda were laid bare when you saw iraqi security forces that were charged with protecting that country essentially melt away when isil began their initial assault on their country. that's why the president essentially made a precondition of robust u.s. military involvement in the counter-isil effort in iraq, that the iraqi people elect and support a prime minister bhoast committed to reforming the -- who's committed to reforming the government and pursuing the kind of inclusive governing agenda that would unite the country to face the threat. that's exactly what prime minister abadi has done. that's why the u.s. government has been supportive of his efforts to do, so that's why we continue to stand with the iraqi people in this very difficult time. reporter: zika. there's money taken from the emergency fund, might be the ebola fund, what's the status of that? is it your position that that money is going to

. >> rose:nd maliki has never left the scene? >> right. he was so strong-willed and so destructive. he's the one as a shia leader who could not get along with the sunni and kurdish leadership. he was poisonous in that relationship. under their current constitution, he's still technically, i think, the vice president. he says he doesn't want to come back to power. a lot of people don't believe him. prime minister abadi is beset on all side. muqtadaer, the shiite cleric, has been leading street protests against him. the kurds, of course, have been talking about if not full-fledged autonomy, independence. so you have a country that's breaking apart at the seams and is not in the interest, i think, of the united states to promote a partition of iraq and to -- into two or three states because, if we did that, it would be a major roll of the dice, what would be the impact on the syrians. would that country then split? what would be the impact on lebanon? these countries were put together a century ago by the british and french with collapse of the ottoman empire. some of these borders are

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stress governance in and essentially with the situation in iraq it underscores the point because the maliki government was authoritarian government we had a failure of the iraqi security forces and part of that solution i am very worried about iraq to make progress against isis in terms of the military efforts but to have that looming government's crisis the instincts are in the right direction but we have serious pressure with a situation unlike iraq. there is a very important piece of our strategies going forward. >>. >> i enjoyed your testimony with the selective the engagement in regime change the presented -- the present has said it was a mistake to is not prepared to make a country of nothing with massive amounts of resources. so i couple of possibilities maybe you shouldn't do it to begin with and then you have massive resources to create nature and how you create democracy in the middle east? people don't realize we have representative government within a hundred year tradition and continuity and we think we can blow up gadaffi and jefferson will be elected? maybe sometimes the sele

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unfortunately, when we left a lot of that under al maliki started to fall apart and there's going to lot of rebuilding to do. but this isn't syria. we don't have a brutal dictator who's killed half a million people. you have isis but you have a national army that as effective as they have been in the past, is refocused on taking territory. you have a nationalist army focused on killing innocent civilians. if we're not careful, it could be another syria and, frankly, you have the same concerns in libya as we're seeing in egypt eventually. >> it looks like a disaster though in iraq. baghdad is the largest city. the green zone was invaded over the weekend. that's where the u.s. embassy and foreign embassies are there. the protesters got out and moved into the green zone. the second largest city in iraq, mosul, the city of 2 million people, now for two years has been controlled by the iraqi military has done nothing so far to retake the second largest city in -- why do you think it's not as bad as syria? >> well, they are preparing, i wish it was a year ago, to eventually take back mosul

the situation in iraq arose because the maliki government was a sectarian, authoritarian government and wasn't inclusive and it was a profound failure of government with respect to including sunnis. we had a governance failure if you will in the deterioration of the iraqi security forces and part of the solution today in iraq -- and i'm very worried about iraq today. i think we've made a lot of progress against isis in terms of our military effort. really serious progress. but we have -- still have a looming governance crisis in iraq in my judgment. i think the instincts are in the right direction but i think we have serious pressure in the situation. underscoring governance in a situation like iraq and i know we're doing that and others are working on this is a very important piece of any of our strategies going forward. >> thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. thank you both very much. senator rand paul. >> secretary baker, i enjoyed your testimony particularly the discussion of the ideas of selective engagement. and the talk of regime change. you know, the president has now admitted re

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arose uation in iraq because the maliki government authoritarian government and wasn't inclubhousive. failure, if ernance you will, on the deterioration of the iraqi security forces, and the part of the solution today in iraq, and i'm worried about iraq today. i think we made a lot of in terms gainst isis of our military effort, really serious progress, but we have a looming governance crisis in my judgment. i think our body instivenncts a direction.t i know we're doing that and the are sadors and others working on this, is an important piece of any of our strategies going forward. >> thank you. >> thank you both, very much. paul. r rand >> sen. paul: senator baker, i enjoyed your testimony, especially with the talk of change.ent and regime the president has admitted it top-off kadaffi in libya. and put massive amounts of resources and create a nation in libya. so i think there are a couple of possibilities. shouldn't do it to again with, and the other is we have massive massive regions. how do we create democracy in the middle east? autocraticf years of rule. one of the amazing thing

the prime minister ebadi, interestingly, fighting against former prime minister maliki. this is where is iran? iran has now inherited the role we once had in trying to decide these big questions in iran. iran is making almost as much a mess of it as the united states did. >> mike? >> david, in the last segment, we were talking about the appeal or the potential appeal of donald trump's message and you raised the question that will be answered this fall, how sick is this country of war, of endless wars. let's talk for a minute about the reality of the world around us. you have iraq fractured, for years, fracturing more now. you have syria fractured and incredibly violent. and it's effect on europe. you have afghanistan, which we pay very little attention to, politically, where people -- our people, are still dying and is sucking up billions of our dollars. so the reality of the world around us, for both of these candidates, or all the candidates for president, what are they going to be confronted with? >> well, i think the challenge for secretary clinton, assuming she gets

it was a maliki government undertaking authoritarian, sectarian approach to governing, politicizing the iraqi security forces that led to a great deterioration, obviously, and we can be successful with respect to our efforts -- and i think we will be -- in terms of rolling back isis and defeating them, but it'll be a short-term success if, or in fact, we have a noninclusive government again in baghdad which will lead to the same kind of dynamic. >> how concerned are you that abadi, given this pressure that al-sadr is now bringing, won't have the capacity in. >> well, question need -- >> as you're saying, to create a political space for the other religions in -- >> i think it's concerning, but we need to support him in that effort -- >> you optimistic? >> the other pressure is low oil prices. >> and we can't do anything about that except be lower then further when the fracking revolution continues in america. so that's the more likely direction. secretary baker's an expert on that subject. but are you optimistic, in other words? in terms of, ultimately, what will unfold in iraq, and we g