just for example, how they were not a machine by any means, and that's malvern hill. the question has been argued and still remains argued, i just saw a recent article i think in the civil war times illustrated or america's civil war, comparing lee and grant and casualty's. i think the premise is wrong innocent if you look at the western campaigns, there are a lot more movement -- you know, put together a string of bloody battles in the west, you don't put a string of bloody battles in the west and compare them to the east. if you're being compared you will lose more men. but my point is malvern hill it is all lined there. dh hill said it was not about it was murder. they were slaughtered. the important thing to remember, that's an example of lee's aggressiveness. transfers on the left wing of the army late afternoon. he was with james long street and they were discussing this and lee had decided to cancel the attack. if they're going to make an attack. tranforty cited he was going to cancel and then two things happen. two messages came. once said the federal army was