malware is a complex problem. we are tackling it with tools, consumer education and community partnerships. if we all work to identify threats and stamp them out we can make the web a safer place. thank you again for your time and consideration. >> thank you very much. mr. spiezel? >> good morning, chairman levin, ranking member mccain and members of the committee. good morning and thank you for the opportunity to testify before you today. my name is craig spiezle, executive director of the online trust alliance. it is a 501-c-3 nonprofit with a mission to enhance online trust, empower users with control of data and privacy while promoting innovation and vitality of the internet. i'm testifying today to provide context to the escalating privacy and security threats to consumers which result from malicious and fraudulent advertising known as malvertising. as outlined in exhibit a, these incidents increased over 200% over the last year to 209,000 incidents which generated over 12.4 billion malicious ad impressions.

malware will change. we see a complete evolution. but again, we're actually placing at least there's a price to pay for actually engaging in this activity now. >> are terrorist organizations involved this? >> we track them very closely. i would say there's an interest but much further than that, senator graham, probably a different setting we could give you a further briefing. >> ms. caldwell, on the civil-criminal aspect of this, what are the couple things that you would like congress to do to enhance your ability to protect our nation? i mean, i'm sure you have this written down somewhere but just for the average person out there listening to this hearing, what are the couple of things you would like to see us do? >> well, one is one i already mentioned which is -- >> my phone off? >> changing the civil injunction ability to have the capability to enjoin botnets other than those engaged in fraud and wiretapping because there are, for example, direct denial of service attacks. we can't get an injunction against that. we would like t

malware will change. we see a complete evolution because again, we're actually placing at least there's a price to pay for actually engaging in this activity now. >> are terrorist organizations involved in this? >> we track them very closely. i would say there's an interest but much further than that senator graham probably in a different setting we could give you a further briefing. >> ms. caldwell on the civi civil/criminal aspect of this, what would you like us to do to help. >> one is the one i already mentioned which is -- >> shut my phone off. >> changing the civil injunction ability so that we will have the ability to enjoin bot nets other than those who are engaged in wire fraud and tapping. he'd like to be able to could that. >> do we need increased p ed penalties. >> that's an interesting question senator. i think we've been seeing increased penalties being imposed by courts. >> statutorily, do we need to change any statutes to make this bite more? >> i will defer to ms. wallcald. >> i think the

>> well, this is your top of the food chain malware, and they're using it, and compromising these net works by sending mass amounts of phishing emails that the users or employees of the organizations then click on the links and they infect their devices, and/or the employees might visit the menu online of a local chinese restaurant. and that website might be infected, and that election can infect the devices as well. >> given the complexity, does this extend beyond the corporations or are a lot of individuals at risk here? >> the conveniences of the web today put everyone at risk. the fact that you can simply click a link in the body of an email and infect your device and your corporation means that we're all at significant risk, so users must update their anti-virus, and firewall and use a vpn when connected to wireless networks. >> do you carry the argument that these are russian spies carrying this out? >> it's very possible. due to the research that has been done at this point, they're able to look at the virus itself, some of the coding, and the researchers can see some similarit

the malware said to be capable of crippling power grids.ro has more on the story. adam? >> david, that's right. this is something that a lot of people have been hearing about. you might say there is a new battleground in the unofficial cyber war in your local power plant, it is ground zero. "the financial times" reports that control systems of hundreds of energy companies in europe and the united states have been infected with a sophisticated piece of malware called energetic bear. the malware allows malicious operators to monitor energy use in real time and possibly cripple turbines and power plants at will. energetic bear is believe to be originated in europe. cyber detectives are pointing a finger at russia indicating it might be state-sponsored. symantec, labeled the group, drag fon fly. you have to wonder who comes up with these names. to make matters worse symantec launched dragonfly attack putting into legitimate software control updates from control civil manufacturers. david. david: i would like to point a finger at russia and this

malware will change. we see a complete evolution. but again, we're actually placing at least there's a price to pay for actually engaging in this activity new. >> are terrorist organizations involved this? >> we track them very closely. i would say there's an interest but much further than that, senator graham, probably a different setting we could give you a further briefing. >> ms. caldwell, on the civil-criminal aspect of this, what are the couple things that you would like congress to do to enhance your ability to protect our nation? i mean, i'm sure you have this written down somewhere but just for the average person out there listening to this hearing, what are the couple of things you would like to see us do? >> well, one is one i already mentioned which is -- >> my phone off? >> changing the civil injunction ability to have the capability to enjoin botnets other than those engaged in fraud and wiretapping because there are, for example, direct denial of service attacks. we can't get an injunction against that. we would like t

they used it to install krip toe locker, a type of malware known as ransom ware installed on infected computers and it inabled these computers to encrypt key files and charge them a ransom for the release of their own files. in the short period between their emergence and their action, it infected more than 260,000 computers world wide. there was a complex international investigation. it continued through the department's use of a combination of court authorized criminal and civil legal process to stop infected computers from communicating with one another and with other servers around the world. the investigation and operation ultimately permitted the team not only to identify and charge one of the leading perpetrators but also to cripple the botnet and to stop the ransom ware from functioning. moreover, the fbi was able to identify victims and working with the department of homeland security, foreign governments, and private sector partners was able to facilitate the removal of malware from many victim computers. as we informed the court last week, at present the game over zeus botn

that an internet host has gone to court with a ledge government spying now they say that is using malware or malicious software as it's tough in order to break into then and spy on their customers communications online now legal action is going through a very special london court it's called the investigatory powers tribe you know and it's their job to look into claims all complaints over the misuse of government surveillance now you can imagine that this court's caseload has got someone in the wake of the edward snowden revelations and of course later this month they're going to be looking into complaints from human rights organizations the way that social media sites like facebook and twitter have been targeted by g c h q now two m.p.'s have also sued the u.k. government through this court over claims that their communications were monitored as well as i just said in the wake of the edward snowden affair with the public debate still very much taking place over mass government surveillance these fresh and unprecedented legal moves from the internet service providers are unlikely to be th

information security conference in san francisco, the buzz was all about keeping your data safe from malware, spambots and other threats. pam dix job, the executive director of the forum says the real threat is not what hackers and thieves can steal, but what we hand over about ourselves free. >> the guys are good at keeping threats away. it doesn't mean companies can't will. >> all that gets pushed into a big giant information soup, and what comes out at the other end is the profiling of individual consumers. self-improvement and health wellness offers. >> at a san diego office, dixon showed us the profiles and left that manynd up on. >> here is a list that assess alcohol drinkers, adult. do i really want my name on this drinker. >> reporter: dixon says scores of lifts are for sale. >> i see everything from dry sores. >> reporter: data brokers are not just getting customer information, they mine public records and monitor the mostings on meed cax the profiles are a precious commodity, as good as kneeled for the brokers and the client they sell them to. >> they know this about me and categor

got account holders' log-in and password information from data breaches at other websites or from malwaren customers' computers. stubhub is owned by bye and it's a problem when hackers get in one site, they try the information on others. the head of global communications says this case unveiled a network of cyber thieves working together. vance says the thieves would get the tickets, resell them and split the proceeds. tara moriarty, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> in just the past 30 minutes, one of two men convicted in the shooting death of a 3-year-old oakland boy received a lengthy prison term. our noelle walker reports, a judge just sentenced lawrence denard to 130 years to life in prison plus seven years. we're still waiting to hear the sentence for the codefendant, will le torrence-- willie torrence. they were evacuated of killing 3-year-old carlos nava. >>> a new kind of police officer is being trained in san jose to help fill the ranks of the department. police chief tweeted this photo yesterday of the first academy class of community service officers or csos. they will be in training f

thousands and got account holder log in and password information from data breaches on other sites and malware and used the information to buy tickets. the company says they alerted customers and have issued refunds. law enforcement officials will hold a news conference today to discuss the case which spans several countries. they say arrests are imminent. >>> we are helping a bay area community build a great space for families in oak land which is the hope to a brand new play ground. crews start demolishing the old space yesterday and it is dilapidated. with the help of volunteers abc7 will put in a safer and green playground. work is one day, august 8. we cannot wait to show you the finish project. >> many of us will be part of it. mike will teach leyla gulen and i how to use power tools. >> fun! >> acoustic blues, is that your flavor in redwood city has music in the park from 5:00 to k dropping to 68 by 8:00. if you like baseball, head over to the cove ending up at 66. the 115 to 120 range so be came. today, 114 at palm springs. 90 in los angeles. 82 in san diego. the heat hasn't made it to

and this is a really good time to check for malware. of hangers use -- hackers use malware software to track your typing and use that that access your account. so make sure you don't have any viruses. >> question. >> reporter: yes. >> so many passwords, how do you keep track? >> reporter: well -- >> i mean facebook and twitter and your -- >> reporter: right especially expected to create a new password for each one. >> you should shouldn't you? >> reporter: right, so there's a great program called last pass. and itmans all of the passwords for you. -- it imagines all of the passwords for you. you have one master password for that and it takes care of logging into the accounts. you have. >> remember that. >> reporter: you have a passwords for your passwords for your passwords. >> there you go. so worth it. all right. sharon thank you. >>> time now is 6:52. a bay area man is accused of impersonating a police officer to sexually assault other men. who investigators say he was targeting. >> reporter: and b.a.r.t. has a new rule some say is a

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coming under attack from so-called industrial hack is they in fact oil and gas cyber defenses with malware which could possibly disrupt power supplies that is according to report released by the u.s. security symantec but we caught up with a company security manager and he told us this is a growing threat. most definitely as more and more information becomes available online or put on computers we are seeing a shift from the physical world to espionage being conducted through the internet or through computers we are definitely in an in an in an age where every country what every organization or every person is able to leverage the internet in its own unique manner so if a nation state wanted to conduct espionage or an attack another country. can most definitely utilize the internet to do so likewise person on person or organization an organization. let's have a look at some international news in brief and we start with japan where clashes broke out between anti militarization protesters and police. the arrest was sparked by the cabinet decision to end a post world war two ban on collective

fraudulent by bought tickets for event and got their login from data breaches at other websites or from malware on the customers' computers. >>> timing for the weather. plan on rain and thunder from washington and oregon stretching east into the dakotas. also heavy rain along the gulf coast north into arkansas and stormy conditions blanketing the entire east from florida to maine. >> those eastern storms will bring steamy temperatures raising from the high 80s to the mid-90s but unusually mild around chicago and detroit with only highs reefing the mid-70s. >> well, we're learning what apple will likely be calling their smartwash and it's not the iwatch. >> high above an american landmark the mysterious stunt that's baffling police. >>> a mangled mess of debris and metal. how a pilot was able to walk away from this crash. . chrysler is addressing a similar defect by recalling hundreds of thousands of vehicles with faulty ignitions. nearly 800,000 jeeps from 2005 to 2007 being recalled. the ignitions could disengage shutting off the engine and disabling air bags. chrysler is notifying owners of g

internet host has gone to court over alleged government spying now they say that g c h q is using malware or malicious software as it's termed in order to break into their networks and spy on their customers communications online now legal action is going through a very special london court it's called the investigatory powers tribe you know and it's their job to look into claims all complaints over the misuse of government surveillance now you can imagine that this court's caseload has got somewhat larger in the wake of the edward snowden revelations and of course later this month they're going to be looking into complaints from human rights organizations the way that social media sites like facebook and twitter have been targeted by g c h q now two m.p.'s have also sued the u.k. government through this court over claims that their communications were monitored as well so as i've just said in the wake of the edward snowden affair with the public debate still very much taking place over mass government surveillance these fresh and unprecedented legal moves from the internet service provid

is infecting the computers of oil and gas companies with malware that could disrupt power supplies according to u.s. security firm semantic it's released a report highlighting the danger compares a new virus to the famous one stuxnet which targeted iran's nuclear facilities back in two thousand and ten other similar ones include operation shady iran which attacked the us government systems a few years ago it's not the first time energy companies have been under threat either saudi arabian oil company aramco hacked in two thousand and twelve according to semantic it's a growing trend most definitely as more and more information becomes available online put on computers we are seeing a shift from the physical to espionage being conducted through the internet talk to computers we are definitely in an in an age where every country around anybody organization and every person is able to leverage the internet in its own unique manner so you could nation state and want to conduct espionage or an attack in another country. can most definitely utilize the internet to do so likewise person one person

under attack from so-called industrial hackers are they in fact oil and gas firms cyber defenses with malware which could possibly disrupt power supplies at least that's according to reports released by the u.s. security firm symantec says the newly discovered computer virus is similar to stuff stocks net which was responsible for one of the largest attacks in cyber history unveiled in twenty ten and allegedly sponsored by washington stuxnet it was designed to penetrate iran's nuclear facilities another renowned hacking campaign called operation shady r.a.t successfully carried out attacks on the u.s. government from two thousand and six to two thousand and eleven and it's not the first time energy companies are under threat to so-called spear phishing attack targets saudi arabia's oil giant adam call back in twenty twelve we caught up with symantec security manager and he told us this is a growing trend most definitely as more and more information becomes available online or put on computers we are seeing a shift from the physical world to espionage being conducted through the internet talk

internet host has gone to court over alleged government spying now they say that g c h q is using malware or malicious software as it's termed in order to break into their networks and spy on their customers communications online now legal action is going through a very special london court it's called the investigatory powers tribe you know and it's their job to look into claims or complaints over the misuse of government surveillance now you can imagine that this court's caseload has got somewhat larger in the wake of the edward snowden revelations and of course later this month they're going to be looking into complaints from human rights organizations the way that social media sites like facebook like twitter have been targeted by g c h q now two m.p.'s have also sued the u.k. government through this court over claims that their communications were monitored as well so as i've just said in the wake of the edward snowden affair with the public debate still very much taking place over mass government surveillance these fresh and unprecedented legal moves from the internet service provid

attack from so-called industrial hackers they infect the computers of all and gas companies with malware and that could disrupt power supplies according to u.s. security firm simmons tech it's released a report highlighting the danger and compares a new virus the famous one called stocks net which targeted around nuclear facilities back in twenty ten other similar ones include operation shady rat which attacks u.s. government systems just a few years ago and it's not the first time energy companies have been under threat either saudi arabia's oil giant at armco here was hacked in twenty twelve according to symantec it's a growing trend most definitely as more and more information becomes available online or put on computers we are seeing a shift from the physical world to espionage being conducted through the internet or through computers we are definitely in an in an in an age where every country what every organization or every person is able to leverage the internet in its own unique manner so you could mission stieg wanted to conduct espionage or an attack another country. can most d

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got the account holders login and password information from data beaches at other websites, or from malwaren customer's computers. a lot of people use the same login and passwords on multiple sites. >>> doctors tried something they have never tried before. they performed lifesaving surgery on a baby before he was even born. >> the risky operation that ended with the best possible outcome. >> reporter: it it is said that all babies are miracles, but that doesn't begin to describe 8-month-old elijah alvarez. >> feel so happy. and blessed. >> reporter: last july, when elisabeth rodriguez garcia salinas was 6 months pregnant, she went for an ultrasound. but a black spot revealed a large cyst on the lung of the fetus. >> it was compressing the normal lung. >> reporter: at first, doctors say they weren't sure the fetus would survive. the parents say hearing that was the hardest part. >> at that very moment, when they told us that, we just rolled down tears. >> reporter: the family came to lucille packard children's hospital stanford, for the first time here, doctors inserted a shot through the mo

this software is also known as malware that can turn a computer into a bot. a computer can perform an automated task. a network for these computers is called a botnet. the impact of this global cyber threat has been significant. according to industry estimates, botnets have caused over $9 billion in losses to victims. the f.b.i. includes the panel of distinguished presenters today from microsoft and has had success in taking down a number of large botnets. by combining a number of resources and large government, we will continue to improve cyber security by identify catching those who threaten it. due to the complicated nature of today's cyber threat, the f.b.i. has developed a strategy to involve the development, distribution, and support impacting u.s. systems. the complete strategy involves a wholistic look at the entire underground eco system. operation spearhead is sponsored by the f.b.i. to include d.h.s. and private sector. gern, del secure works is one of the main. and we talk about gameover zeuss. increase the cost of doing business and to exceed unc

fishing scams typically linked to malware can compromise your computer and your personal inrmation so vdot says it issued a warning to over 900,000 easy pass holders. if you got one of those e- mails, ignore it and contact vdot. >> uber is teaming up with care.com. you can get an uber ride. the two companies are launching uber family. it expects a high demand. uber, as you know, come under fire recently in virginia. lawmakers called the service an unlicensed taxi service. >>> and with gas prices climbing, we are all digging for discounts, especially when it comes to car insurance. bank rate surveyed the top ten auto insurers and found hidden discounts. one, if your car has daytime running lights. gm, toyota, volvo and vehicles all typically have them. and here's another easy discount. if you belong to an alumni association and insurance companies take your cars age into consideration. so, if the car is less than three years old, ask for a discount and you should also ask for a discount if your car has low miles. >> that is some good advice. wusa9 news at 6:00 just a few minutes away.

the secret service alerted the hotel industry about malware installed on computers inside the businesscenters. they can monitor every word typed on your device to hack into your bank accounts and other sensitive data. the hotels cater to the business community, so you have to make sure you take precautions. >> carry your own laptop, but then the secure wi-fi and that sort of thing is an issue. >>> let's take a live look outside if we can as we celebrate arlington this morning. you are looking at part of the drum corps from the army's third infantry division at fort myer. >> we are also thanking our service members. take a selfie with a soldier and now we'll go to tom kierein. >>> i love the older neighborhoods in arlington. we are right in the low to mid-70s. the hometown forecast is showing us in the mid-80s. quite a hot middle of the day. then we have and isolated thundershower noontime. a likelihood with heavy downpours and thunder and lightning with temperatures down into the upper 70s with chevy downpours. they could have some flooding around. and down to the mid-70s by 8:00. ther

who hacked into the accounts of a thousand users and stub hub users got we passwords from computer malware and bought tickets. the company alerted customers and issued refunds. law enforcement officials will hold a news conference today to discuss the case which spans several countries. they say arrests are imminent. >>> we helping a bay area community build a great space for families. the part in oakland will be the home to a new playground with crews demolishing the old space which was dilapidated. with the help of volunteers abc7 will put in a dream playground that is safe and for fun. the work is done on august 8. we cannot wait to show you the final rod. >> a lot of us will be helping in thest and mike will show us how to use the drills. >> i will be the tim allen. >> safety first. goggles for everyone. >>> moving on with redwood city if you like acoustic blues we have music in the park dropping to 68 we so you may need a blanket. at the games, pretty nice weather 68 at 7:00 and dropping to 66 with sun. temperatures are 90 if los angeles, 114 in palm springs. 69 and sunshine in monter

the control systems of the most important western energy companies have already been infected by malwarey state backed group. apple is getting serious, the tech giant is putting together an elaborate speech recognition team and already several big-name artificial intelligence researchers. the main focus of this team is to have them respond to users and a humanlike speed. and there's a big protein power play with the purchase of muslim milk. face snapped up the drink's parent company for $415 million. that is the latest from the fox business network giving you the power to prosper. melissa: look at the dow. we are on 17,000 watch right now. we are 150 points on the session, less than 25 points away from the milestone here. we never know what will happen. world cup fever continues and why not? we are an hour from the u.s.'s next big game when we take on belgium. fans are raring to go and rich edson and ashley webster are right in the middle of the action. let's go to you first, is a getting crazy? why are those people out? ashley: first off, we are on pennsylvania avenue. basically between

insert a backdoor only they will know about so they can access the information they need or insert malware if they want to or do whatever they want. there we go. i was a sign i should stop talking. >> it seems this is also a debate, we have had a version of the ford. that required phone companies in the 1990's send their systems why are laughable. there has been discussion in the past few years of expanding that and providing other online services and products. can you talk to us about the debate and the arguments you and others into civil society security world had? >> sure. up until june 5 of last year, when the first it was made public, the fbi had been pushing very strongly internally to the obama administration for essentially the argument they made was, they're going dark. the fbi is going dark. that means back in the day, all they had to do was get a warrant for telephonic wiretapping. it used to be as easy -- easy as attaching alligator clips on phone lines and listening to a call. he got more complicated over the years with circuit switching and all sorts of crazy stuff. it got to

the company said the thieves used the names and passwords, stealing them through other websites and malware. and a computer glitch is denying passports. the glitch could slow the process of obtaining u.s. travel documents for millions of people. a spokesman said the department would try to fix that problem. >>> astronauts from the international space station are taking incredible pictures. fascinating. it's so complex n.a.s.a. needed help identifying the photos. jacob ward explains. >> reporter: the view from the international space station is unbelievable, as you can imagine. the restaurants on board spend hours photographing the world from up there. those who are camera nerds will be interested to know they use a 500 nickon, with a choice of 15 fancy lenses to take shots of the earth as it goes by at 17,000 miles underneath them. there's software that can identify the cities that they photograph, but the software cannot tell the difference between the stars and moon and lights. so a group of spanish astro physicists began a process in which anyone with a web connection can examine and ide

hackers working on their own don't usually work a daytime schedule like the hackers that use this malware. >> social media is up in arms about a texas teen hunting in africa. we're going to show you the pictures in just a second. >> reporter: kendall jones is 19 years old and has been hunting for years. over the last few weeks she posted pictures next to the th animals she has been hunting in zimbabwe. this is a white springbok and here she is with her team. she took some camera crews to zimbabwe. she's holding the lebano leopard here and wrote, one of the most beautiful animals throughout the land. if you thought it was so pretty you should have let it live. and tony thorn saying no one eats leopard meat, so why was this animal been killed. now jones has been responding in her post she said you have to balance wildlife and funds from the hunt go to the government as an incentive to keep lines in their property. a petition was started to ask the ceo of facebook to remove her facebook page. it's signed by more than 65,000 people. now you also have another petition that was started today in

the thieves instead stole user names and passports through other websites or malware.can be dangerous on your computer. >> i better get nigh michael mcdonald tickets. someone will have to pay. appreciate it. >>> a massive wildfire is burning in washington state right now. so far the fire burnted more than 1 million acres, 1500 square miles. fire officials say it's the worst fire in the state's history. 150 homes have been destroyed. mother nature helped crews, delivering rain. with it comes wind and a chance for lightening. meteorologist is tracking it. >> it has to be a perfect light rain with little wind and no lightening. starting to see a little of that move in to north-western washington. these are thunder storms. there's a risk for the storms to contain lightening and wind. it could be severe. the combination not the best. we'll take the rain. there's the radar showing it coming in to the west. the rain could lead to flooding. there's no vegetation holding the soil in place. it's common. flash flood watches, war-heavy rain, one to two inches over the next two day

they want to insert a backdoor only they compo know about so they can insert malware or whatever they want. >> there has been discussion in the past few years of expanding search for online products. can you talk about that debate and the arguments you and/ors had against that proposal? in other words why are backdoors bad? >> up until june 5th of last year, with the first snowden link was made public, the fbi was pushing strongly internally for the obama administration for this argument they made and they are going dark. the fbi is going dark. back in the day they had to get a warrant and use telephonic wire tapping. it used to be as easy as attaching a couple alligator clips and listening in. it got more complicated over the years. they passed a wire tap law that said any provider of services of telephone services must have a way to wiretap people and you must be able to respond to request to wiretap this stuff. the fbi is saying people are not using phones. they are using whats up. over about two years the fbi was arguing we need a fix and some way to make these things easier brigh

so the next version and the next generation of this malware will be much tougher to find. >> we discoveredhad attacks on our infrastructure, our grid infrastructure in the past, it doesn't take much, given the interconnections here to knock an area out and then knock the whole country out. how close are they to doing something like that? >> we are so dependent on power, neil, if you hit that power, it's like a set of dominoes. it will cascade on to healthcare, on to transportation and banking and finance and our food supply. if you take out power, people's homes don't run, food spoils, you can't get emergency services, so you can pick a few things and shut done glen stations, people would still be okay with that. when you talk out critical things like power, it has a magnifying effect on the impact you can have, and then makes it easier to do bad things. >> what do we do in the interim? >> well, one of the things you have to -- this is something i said for years. have to improve the intelligence sharing ten at the intelligence community, and i worked in, and the public and private sector w

that's very unusual for malware that we see. we don't normally see high infections in iran. >> please learn from stuxnet... >> two months later, ralph langner, a german expert on industrial control systems, added another piece of important information: stuxnet didn't attack every computer it infected. >> this whole virus is designed only to hit one specific target in the world. >> how could you tell that? >> it goes through a sequence of checks to actually determine if this is the right target. it's kind of a fingerprinting process, a process of probing if this is the target i'm looking for, and if not, it just leaves the controller alone. >> stuxnet wasn't just looking for a siemens controller that ran a factory floor. it was looking for a specific factory floor, with a specific type and configuration of equipment, including iranian components that weren't used anywhere else in the world and variable speed motors that might be used to regulate spinning centrifuges, a fragile piece of equipment essential to the enrichment of ura

they want to insert a backdoor only they compo know about so they can insert malware or whatever they want. >> there has been discussion in the past few there has been discussion the past two years of expanding that to on line services and products. joe can you talk to us about that debate and whether some of the arguments were that the security security world had to get that proposal? >> up until june 5 at last year which is when the first snowden tape the fbi had been pushing strongly internally into the obama administration for essentially this argument they made was they are going dark. the fbi is going dark at what that means is back in the day all they had to do was get a warrant and use telephonic wiretapping. it used to be as easy as attaching a couple of alligator clips to the phone line and listening in on the call. it got complicated over the years with circuit switching and packet switching and all sorts of stuff. got to the point where they pass a law that would call the wiretap law. communications assistance for law enforcement act of centanni provider of services of tel