make scanning for malwear illegal. that's another way of dealing with this issue. >> i'm sure there will be questions on that. one other things that -- that i think is worth looking at. mr. secretary, perhaps can you touch on that specifically as well. you know, at the end of the day we're talking technology. but it's really about the convergence of human intelligence and technical means when you're dealing with the most sophisticated actors. i mean wouldn't you rather have a source inside one of these organizations than perhaps all the technology to make that happen? and fair to say that our adversaries have already done that if you're to believe as i do the ncif report. >> i think what you're pointing out this is not just a technology issue but a lot is what i call counter intelligence issue. and it's about, you know, really how do we look whole holistical we preserve poverty against people taking it without our knowledge? because they can connect up over networks. sometimes they can insert somebody. or it's a combin