maman: yeah, w without a s suspr anything, , i didn't thinknk the was mumuch of a caca here. yeah, this tree right here. so i was driving by, and i saw, you know, back then it was--there wasn't as much vegetation, and i coululd see the e sawdust everywhere. i was looking for people stealing firewood b becae wewe had some trees in t this aa that werere cut for r firewood.i saw this and i saw a lot of the tree still there, so i knew it wasn't, you know, someone just stealing firewood, so got out to investigate and, yeah, i found these blocks and there was a lot of sawdust everywhere. found the tree hatcheted back there, and th w was my fifirst real encounr with maple theft. huff: there's a lot of value, especially i in trees lilike thg leafaf maple thahat are useded r real spececialized pupurposes. there's a pretty high value, often in the music wood industrtry. larson: so i was digging around. i noticed they stripped the bark off here, and then you can see this marbled texture. huff: in general, we'll s see areas that poachers will come and check individual trees in an areea.