manafort. he's not -- mr. manafort is not charged with russian collusion.interacted with russian government or intelligence officials at the time that in any way facilitated their attack on our election to benefit mr. trump. nevertheless, despite the fact he's not charged with that, they're making this public-facing defense, that is no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. you would think it was beside the point for mr. manafort's case, but they are making this case publicly. and to me one way that may make sense is if they are trying to make the case that the president should pardon mr. manafort and it shouldn't reflect on the russia case at all if the president does that because mr. manafort's case is totally separate from the russia scandal. i wonder on the judiciary committee if it is a matter of concern or potential investigation on your committee the prospect of the president discussing pardons with people, including michael cohen, including mr. manafort, including mr. flynn and others as a way to try to protect himself in these various investigation

is this it for paul manafort? or is it possible that the special counsel has something that they know about that we don't know about after all this time with manafort on collusion? here's his defense attorney just moments ago. >> as you heard in court today, mr. manafort finally got to speak for himself. he made clear he accepts responsibility for his conduct, and i think most importantly, what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one. there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. thank you, everybody. >> what do you think of the sentence? >> is evan, is there -- is that true, there's absolutely no evidence? i don't know that we that's true at this point, do we? >> reporter: look, i don't think we know what the mueller investigators have found. i mean, i think we're expecting, obviously, that the attorney general is going to get the confidential report from the special counsel sometime soon. and then we're going do

paul manafort did not look at the prosecutor as he was speaking, essentially saying paul manafort hasied and the judge should take that into consideration. >> reporter: this is someone who was the trump campaign chairman. and just to think about the fall from grace from when he was the campaign chairman to now, as he faces his final sentencing this really caps it all off today. the judge has a maximum of ten years she can sentence him to. will she stack on any years to the four years he's already been given or will they run concurre concurre concurrent. >> reporter: this is perhaps the last big argument that we're going to see from the special counsel's office about their case, about this two-year investigation. this is the last time that we're going to hear them speak in court. what this means for them, keep in mind that paul manafort was the center, was really the center of this investigation for quite some time. this is now coming to an end. hearing from prosecutors in court, you can sense they know the meaning of this and what this means for them and really for this entire investi

however, if paul manafort refuses, then paul manafort goes back to jail. so you see this catch-22 that he's caught in if the president is considering pardoning him. >> ron klain, going forward in the congress, with your experience in the senate judiciary committee, what is the first thing you would think in the house committees where the democrats have control, i guess? they would want to try to pursue with paul manafort. which one of those committees would want the first chance with him? >> you know, i imagine it's mieke's old place of business, the house intelligence committee. and i think congressman schiff, chairman of the committee, will be really interested in trying to find out what paul manafort knows about trump's collusion with russia. he obviously had extensive overseas ties, connections to people close to putin, serious debts to those people. he's probably very much in the loop of all this activity that went on. he and roger stone seem to be the two focal points of it. and i think -- the challenge is this, though. this goes back to this comment

manafort, including mr. flynn and others as a way to try to protect himself in these various investigations. >> absolutely. i think there is tremendous interest in that, and we will certainly continue to conduct oversight on that very issue. i thought it was very strange to see his lawyers come to the podium and say oh, by the way, no collusion. it was as if president trump wrote his lines. it was very bizarre. sort of unrelated to the case in virginia. but i think, you know, the idea that conversations were had or pardons were dangled in an effort to perhaps persuade people not to cooperate orrin be truthful is of considerable concern to the judiciary committee and something i know we will investigate as part of our overall investigation. i think the other thing that's really ironic is on the very week we're about to pass this enormous democracy referral cracking down on corruption, raising ethical standards, getting money out of our political system, there are these serious convictions that continue in thi

manafort. paul manafort, as you know, is due to be sentenced next week, thursday, next week, by a federal judge in virginia. this new filing tonight is manafort's best effort with his defense team to argue for lenience in that sentence from that virginia judge. quote, defendant paul j. manafort comes before the court for sentencing after having been convicted at trial of five counts of subscribing false income tax returns. one count of failing to file a foreign bank account report and two counts of bank fraud. mr. manafort acknowledges he received a fair trial before this court and accepts the jury's verdict. he is truly reforceful for his conduct. mr. manafort submits this for determining an appropriate sentence. the u.s. probation office has calculated an advisory sentencing range of roughly 19.5 to 24 years. this range is clearly disproportionate to the conduct for which mr. manafort was convicted. the defense submits that a sentence substantially below the range calculated by probation is w

it is manafort's last shot. he faces up to ten years in prison in doiaddition to the fo years he received last week. >> reporter: he's been in jail now for nine months in solitary confinement. you can see that it's taken an effect on him. he's pleading to the judge for some compassion. it worked in the other case. it's going to be interesting to see how judge amy berman jackson here accepts that. whether or not this becomes enough for her now to say i do think you have taken responsibility and you have shown that you're a changed man. there are so many factors stacked against him here. because he lied after he pleaded guilty and began to cooperate with the special counsel's office, the judge now is in a recess. she is going to come back at some point. we expect to hear a lot from her. then we will hear at any moment what she plans to do in terms of the sentence for him. remember, he's facing up to ten years here. i think the significance of today, you could see it, you could hear it in paul manafort's voice. i t

really praised paul manafort.y different tone, by the way, than he's taken with his former attorney and personal fixer michael cohen who flipped on him. he's called cohen a rat. the big question looming over all of this, is president trump potentially going to pardon m manafo manafort? the president said he wouldn't take it off the table. more recently saying i don't even does it. i spoke with rudy giuliani several days ago about this fact. and rudy giuliani said essentially that look, he's not taking the possibility of a pardon off the table, but added this, hallie. that the president will not consider a pardon now, nor will the president give a pardon now. so rudy giuliani very firm that that's not something that is being actively discussed. now, undoubtedly the president, his legal team, white house officials here watching this very closely. what might the implications be for president trump? of course, he has focussed on the fact that this case is not about collusion. of course, that doesn't clear the presiden

well, manafort in his d.c. case was found to have lied to prosecutors about his contacts with the russian intelligence guy, and he was found to have lied to prosecutors about his dealings during the campaign with the guy who handled the trump polling. well, lying to keep those things covered up and then lying to a sea of reporters and tv cameras to say, hey, these judges found there was definitely no collusion, well, if there was collusion and there are worries that this president might use the powers of his office to cover it up, to quash any investigation that might turn up evidence of russian collusion, if there are worries that this president might use his pardon power to protect and reward people for lying to prosecutors about russian collusion, if there are worries that this president will use his pardon power to protect and reward people for lying to federal judges about russian collusion, if there are worries that he will use his pardon power to protect and reward people who know stuff about russian col

well, manafort in his d.c. case was found to have lied to prosecutors about his contacts with the russian intelligence guy, and he was found to have lied to prosecutors about his dealings during the campaign with the guy who handled the trump polling. well, lying to keep those things covered up and then lying to a sea of reporters and tv cameras to say hey, these judges found there was definitely no collusion, well, if there was collusion and there are worries that this president might use the powers of his office to cover it up, to quash any investigation that might turn up evidence of russian collusion, if there are worries that this president might use his pardon power to protect and reward people for lying to prosecutors about russian collusion, if there are worries that this president will use his pardon power to protect and reward people for lying to federal judges about russian collusion, if there are worries that he will use his pardon power to protect and reward people who know stuff about russian coll

manafort received.was sending a signal that if there were any federal pardons, that state law was still going to move forward and mr. manafort was not going to be above the law and there wasn't go boog be any obstruction. >> just as we were coming on to the set. while you were a u.s. attorney, did you ever have a president personally call you about a case? >> no. not at all. >> right. across both parties has been the norm and the rule. here was mr. nadler saying that acting attorney general whitaker in his view wouldn't give straight answers about whether donald trump was trying to do that and we know he called frrks example the u.s. attorney repeatedly. this is brand new. take a look. >> mr. whitaker did not deny that the president called him tine discuss the michael cohen case. he was directly einvolved unconversations of whether to hire one or more u.s. attorneys. he was involved in the scope of the southern district of new york's recusal. and whether the southern district went too far in purb suing

manafort manafort's, quote, core argument echoed by his defense lawyer mr. downing this morning was that, quote, but for the special counsel investigation, manafort wouldn't have been charged in the first place. that argument, she says, falls flat. quote, it is certainly not unusual that investigators uncover crime x when they're looking into crime y. and the perpetrators who get uncovered that way do not get a pass, saying i'm sorry i got caught is not an inspiring plea for leniency. then she says first of all, it's entirely relevant to the question before the court -- excuse me, first of all, it's entirely relevant to the question before the court. the number of times the argument was repeated notwithstanding -- excuse me. first of all, it is entirely irrelevant to the question before the court. the number of times the argument was repeated, not withstanding the fact that it didn't have any bearing on the question at hand, suggests that it wasn't being repeated for the benefit of the person you were trying to persuade he had accepted responsibility, but it

had very strong words for paul manafort. she is still speaking and we're about to learn his sentence. we are on the cusp of it, but here's one of the lines she said to paul manafort today. she said saying i'm sorry i got caught is not an inspiring plea for leniency because earlier today in the courtroom for the first time paul manafort did say i'm sorry for what i did. he took full responsibility, but the judge just speaking moments ago is basically saying that she doesn't buy his apology. he committed these crimes knowingly, willfully, he knew exactly what he was doing and now essentially he is only saying "i'm sorry" because he got caught. she believes he's playing two games. at one point, were you trying to get a better deal? you're right, john, if you're paul manafort you're very nervous right now because it appears that the judge really isn't expressing much sympathy toward paul manafort and we'll have to wait and see, any moment now about what she does and what his fate will be. >> she's handing down the sentencing now

can you describe paul manafort? we've seen him in various ways, we've seen the artwork by our great artist, of him in a wheelchair. i think he's suffering from gout, among other things. that's one of the arguments the defense made. he's been in recent instances in court in prison garb, no longer has the hair coloring he long want to be seen before he was incarcerated. how did he look today? >> he didn't look bad. he looked perhaps more robust than we have seen him in the past in these court proceedings. andrea, one of the nice things about what judge jackson just did, she took down every unsupportable claim that manafort and his attorney have been making. for example, she said, sir, you claim you're suffering from gout, and i'm not disputing that, but neither you nor your attorneys have presented me inform any information about that. no medical records. not so much as a letter from a doctor asking me to take any action. she also took down the mantra he's been subjected to solitary confinement. essentially when he wa

manafort and have the benefits and wealth of mr. manafort.nk what we're seeing in his last ditch argument today, craig, to paraphrase the great atlanta philosopher's outkast, i'm sorry, miss jackson, we're not buying it. >> you've been working on that for a while. this is from miss jackson, a direct quote. the no collusion claim that runs through the entire defense memo is entirely unrelated to the matter at hand. the no collusion mantra is simplynon-s.e. sequitur. >> this is a two-by-four, described as out of court pardon strategy. we watch hid lawyer walk out of one of the best days they had last week, where they got a light sentence, which is a amount of lawyering progress. instead of look what we got, what does it say about the case, mr. downing committed what miss jackson has recorded from the courtroom, a non sequitur, an insult, saying there was no collusion. you were on trial for collusion but undermining the system, tax evoegs, all these that many more people would serve many more years than he got last week. the fact we're in a conc

the role of manafort. both judges would have given some variance there's not a huge discrepancy. >> in the same class of crime. this is a surprising part of this. >> in my experience, yes. i had many cases i was involved with, with defended who committed fraud crimes who had this type of sentence. for this type of crime, kblb very surprised and he didn't express any remorse. >> that is part of what's strange here. the alcushion basically said i feel bad because things have gone terribly. but it was not --. he did not say it was wrong of me and i'm sorry i defrauded the government and others. >> and it's a factor considered at sentencing. the guidelines are just advisory. and the court didn't choose not to do so here but it's so remarkable given how many individuals are sentenced two sentences within the guideline range for the identical conduct or different conduct or mandatory minimums for nonviolent conduct. we're desensitized to how willing we are to look past white collar crime. if you think of other i

pardoning paul manafort? >> i have great respect for what he's done in terms of what he's gone through. you know, he worked for ronald reagan for years. he worked for bob dole. i would say what he did, some of the charges they threw against him, every consultant, every lobbyist in washington probably does. >> david? >> he also worked for warlords and, you know, clement tocratic thugs, i can't even say it. he didn't just work for ronald reagan. >> i'm referring to the cleptocrats, the thugs. >> paul manafort doesn't even reach michael cohen levels of contrition. at least michael cohen cooperate fully with robert mueller and then testified before congress and kind of admitted to getting off on the wrong path, right? and now the scales are from his eyes. he's no longer wowed and dazzled by donald trump and fame and fortune. you know, he's doing this after he got caught, of course, but at least telling us a story of a man who sees things differently and now just wants to help. manafort couldn't bring himself to d

manafort went on trial in virginia. he was convicted on eight felonies, the jury was hung on ten others. manafort had been due for a second federal trial in the neighboring jurisdiction of washington d.c. on the eve of the second federal trial when manafort instead jumped. tried this new course. he abandoned his not guilty plea and said he no longer wanted to go to trial. he started talking to prosecutors. prosecutors agreed to drop all charges against him in d.c. except for two felony conspiracy counts in exchange, they got not only his plead in guilty but got him to admit even to the -- admit that he was guilty even to the ten felony charges on which he had the hung jury in his first federal trial in virginia and most importantly, he pledged to cooperate with prosecutors in the special counsel's office. that was the deal manafort tried to make to save his own skin on the eve of what would have been his second federal trial. and that is what blew up. when prosecutors came back to the judge in d.c. to judge amy berman j

manafort skpr manafort, and that's why we raise the issue again. we do think it's very important for that allegation of his known ties to russian intelligence to be countered and to be countered in a balanced manner. and again, the way they are trying to balance that out is by letting it be shown in the public record in unredacted court filings that kilimnik, yes, is assessed to be linked to russian intelligence. the fbi assesses him to be actively linked to russian intelligence, but they want it to be known that kilimnik has also had conversations with people at the u.s. embassy in ukraine. the judge as i say appears bewildered that this is so important and that this is even a defense to the charge that kilimnik is linked to russian intelligence. i mean, i think that's key, that point where she says, quote, you're still acting like these two things, that one disproves the other, i don't find that. but as unimpressed as the judge is by what manafort and his defense team are trying to get in the public record about konstantin kilimnik, it's clear th

manafort. today was in virginia so two separate jurisdictions. he pleaded guilty and witness tampering in d.c. and prison time there could be substantial of ten years, anywhere up to ten years. so, this is obviously going to be the big question. >> joining me now is congressman who sits on the intelligence and oversight committee, i appreciate your time congressman. >> thank you. the look on the face of some of the prosecutors today described by ivan perez who was in the room was astonished, this was not what they expected the sentence to be just under four years, what do you think? >> yeah, i would agree. i think it was on the low side for sure. the sentencing guidelines are much higher. you know the judge said a couple curious things, one of which was he said the defendant in this case mr. manafort led a blameless life. i didn't understand what he was talking about. mr. manafort is facing two sentence hearings in one week. i don't see how someone living a blameless life end up in this type of

manafort. paul manafort, as you know, is due to be sentenced next week, thursday next week but a federal judge in virginia. this new filing tonight is manafort's best effort with his defense team to argue for lenience in that sentence from that virginia judge. quote, defendant paul j. manafort comes before the court for sentencing after having been convicted at trial of five counts of subscribing false income tax returns, one count of failing to file a foreign bank account report, and two counts of bank fraud and mr. manafort acknowledges he received aand a victim and submits it to aid the court in determining an appropriate sentence. the u.s. probation office under sentencinga sentence range of 19.5 to 24 years. this range is clearly disproporti disproportidispoor -- dispo disproportionate. we get 40 or so more page what is paul manafort did is really no big deal and lots and lots of letters of support from his relatives what a good guy he is. we get a reference to paul manafort being an alter

themselves from paul manafort. even the president himself distanced himself from paul manafort saying he didn't know him very well. he was only on the campaign for a few months. that doesn't mean that this investigation of the former trump campaign chairman has not been a thorn in their side from the very beginning, for a overandoveyear and a half since he was charged. this is a pivotal moment for white house officials as they watch this play out. rudy giuliani came to the white house earlier today. he was seen going into the west wing. you can imagine that he is also paying close attention. >> he is watching it together with the president's other private attorneys. >> presumably. >> as well as white house counsel, i'm sure they are watching it closely as well. everybody, stand by. i want to make sure that shimon -- is shimon still with us? he will be back in a moment. i want to turn to another important issue that we're following right now. michael cohen and cnn's new reporting on whether he sought a presidential

this federal judge who will sentence manafort on wednesday, she's the judge that took manafort's guilty pleading and signed off on the plea agreement he made with prosecutors. she ruled from the bench he broke the agreement because yes, she ruled in court he did intentionally lie to prosecutors on multiple occasions on material matters. this is the same judge that put manafort in jail in the first place. last june. this was the judge that ruled he had violated his bail conditions by tampering with witnesses while he was out on bail awaiting trial. that order from amy berman jackson in d.c. put paul manafort into a federal cell as of last june where he's been ever since. now we know thanks to last week's sentence that he isn't getting out of prison for at least a few more years, but this week we're about to find out just how many years he will have to serve in total depending on what judge jackson gives him on wednesday and now, as we head towards that wednesday ruling, that wednesday sentencing with that judge, a funny thing is now developing here ahead of this sentencing this week. and

president manafort -- paul manafort, i should say, is about to learn his fate. any minute now, a judge will hand down the sentence to the trump campaign chairman who was convicted on banking and tax crimes. prosecut prosecutors have agreed that potentially he could get a sentence of, what, between 19 and 25 years in prison. the judge says manafort. does that give us a sense for what we should anticipate, how many years the 69-year-old manafort, about to turn 70 will get? >> this judge is hard to predict, judge ellis is a colorful character. he has gone after the prosecutors in this case pretty hard, especially in the early days, sort of suggesting that they were trying to put the squeeze on manafort as a way to get to the president. other times he said that this case is on solid footing and just a short time ago, according to the people who are in the courtroom for us, he talked about how he has been sending a message of deterrence in the past with other prior defendants, not in maniafort's case but in england they hung pick pockets. in one way, he's probably ju

a pattern of behavior by manafort. it was not a one-off. and she said he had huge amounts of money, more houses than anyone could ever live in, and he had more suits than anyone could ever wear. references to his very lavish lifestyle. >> harris: you know, it's interesting to note as well, today, in this second and final sentencing with this case, the whole thing about -- this is not about russian collusion. it will be concluded in this case. it wasn't talked about in this case. just wondering, what lies ahead for him. wait, i've got to step in. before you even say anything, because manafort has been sentence. let's get to that. >> okay, let's do that. >> harris: in this fox news alert we are learning that paul manafort knows his sentence at this point, and we've been able to verify this. we are working on it right now. we know that other outlets are reporting back. i want to come to you, judge andrew napolitano, just talk about what this judge is dealing with. this has been longer than a few minutes that she has been responding to the char

rick gates testified against ma manafort and his financial crimes. rick gates have been cooperating with the special counsel now for some time ton heart on the hear matter where they are investigating. >> the additional case against manafort does add additional time and pressure on him if he has further information to share it. >> is that the advice you would be giving him if you were still his lawyer? >> it is the one way to cut down on jail time if you have a witness who does have valid information to cooperate with. there is a chance for redaction of the sentence. that's the only ticket to get out of jail at this point assuming if he gets found guilty or not. >> the president would take that and say that's pressure to force somebody to lie. that's one of the problems. it could be that they have genuine information or the problem is and there is a fine line if you squeeze too hard, people come up with stories because they want to get out. that hopefully, any decent prosecutors, they'll get additional information to verify whatever that's said. they

manafort has never come clean on?> and this is not part of what manafort was charged on.ha as direct example of collusion as you would want. paul manafort at the behest of -- and what are they discussing? they're discussing a so-called peace plan for ukrain, which is really a pro-putin, pro-moscow peace plan that could lead to the lifting of sanctions impose fwhied u.s. and european union. while manafort is running the campaign for donald trump, and this is important, while russia is attacking the election to help donald trump, he's sitting down with a russian intermediary and talking about a plan that could help russia get rid of the sanctions. if they're not stating this out quid pro quo directly, it sure raises the possibility that that's what they're all thinking about and it's a pity in the mueller filings that we don't have more details on this and i'm sure hoping that inmueller doesn't get to the bottom of this withhe any report that ada schiff and others in congress will tell us what went on and whether there

manafort. the judge listening to paul manafort. he spoke to the judge. he came in court in his wheelchair. he sat there, he spoke to the judge. he asked for compassion. and the judge in the end agreed, giving him the 47 months, far less than what prosecutors here had been asking for, the 19 to 24 years. >> evan, what did the judge say to manafort and about manafort during the sentencing? >> well, a couple of interesting things happened in the courtroom, anderson, is obviously we saw paul manafort get wheeled in. and you know, the picture of him with the green jumpsuit wearing, it says "alexandria inmate." and the judge, one of the things he talked about is about the impact of seeing him in that jumpsuit and in that wheelchair. but he said life is about choices. and he says, "you made a choice to engage in criminal conduct." he took a couple shots at the special counsel. as you know, this is a judge who's shown some skepticism for the fact that this was a case that was tried by the special couns

manafort finally got to speak for himself. he made clear he accepts responsibility for his conduct, and i think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one, there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. >> mueller's focus on paul manafort became public back in the summer of 2017 when the fbi executed that search warrant at his home then in october he and his trump campaign chair deputy rick gates were indicted, february 2018 things got more interesting when gates pleaded guilty to conspiracy and lying to investigators, he started cooperating with the government. last august, manafort was convicted in virginia, one month later he pleaded guilty to two conspiracy charges in d.c. federal court and entered a cooperation agreement with the feds, but that agreement was torn up last month when manafort was found to have lied to prosecutors and they frown on that. next week the judge in that d.c. case will sentence hi

manafort. listen. >> i don't have any sympathy for mr. manafort. no evidence that any collusion with russia or any of that but bank and tax fraud are serious offenses against the american people. he has always played on the margins and i think i've called him a sleaze and he is. i don't have any sympathy for him. >> as we wait, we anticipate perhaps this could go on in the next hour or so. soon we will know just how many years paul manafort will spend in jail. this is the most high profile prosecution of the mueller investigation so far. >> sandra: that continues right now. the latest we saw is judge jackson invited each side to speak. as we learn more we'll bring it to everybody. griff jenkins in washington >> bill: 11 past. more fallout from boeing. some u.s. pilots complained at least five times in recent months about problems with the boeing 737 max 8 jet. that's the model of plane involved in two deadly crashes in five months' time. countries across the globe grounding boeing flights. the u.s. is not one of them and neither is canada. we pick

which the manafort team is bracing itself for. i think that's then going to be mitigated by her running it concurrently. i think he's going to get a little bit more time, but some of it is going to be concurrent. he's not going to get that full ten years and she is capped at that number. i think there's a lot of expectation that this judge may come down as some avenging angel to make up for what happened in virginia. i don't expect to see that. she's a very no nonsense judge. she hasn't tolerated any nonsense from mr. manafort, and she's going to sentence him fairly but it's not going to be to make up for anything. it's going to be based on what's in front of her. let's remember, he did plead guilty in this case, he didn't go all the way through trial and be convict bid jury. >> tell us why this is so significant, this is the trump chairman. this has nothing to do with me. that's not exactly rilght. >> well, that's the big question, whether it does have something to do with him. manafort was a cooperator and he did get dinged for

today the president was asked about pardoning paul manafort. >> will you pardon paul manafort?> i have not even given it a thought as of this moment. it's not something that right now is on my mind. i do feel badly for paul manafort. >> right after the sentencing took place here in washington, d.c., the manhattan district attorney filed state charges against him, which would seem to be a way to get around the effect of any pardon. >> i don't know anything about it. i haven't heard that. i'll take a look at it. >> in his sentencing hearing, paul manafort apologized for his crimes for the first time, telling judge amy berman jackson, quote, i am sorry for what i have done and for all the activities that have gotten us here today. i know it was my conduct that brought me here today. for these mistakes i am remorseful. judge jackson was less sympathetic to manafort than judge t.s. ellis was, who gave him what many saw as a lighter sentence last week and praised his, quote, judge ellis praised manafort's, quote, otherwise blameless life. judge jackson told paul manafort, what you we

paul manafort is in the courtroom. paul manafort was wheeled in a couple moments ago, we're told. his legal team says he has health issues hence the wheelchair and a cane that we're told in case he needs to stand during the sentencing that will be coming up. he's clad in a green jump suit. the judge, t.s. ellis, is not yet in the courtroom. paul manafort is there, his wife, kathleen, the legal team is all waiting. we're waiting with you as well to learn the fate of paul manafort. some saying he could get up to 70, 80 years in prison because of bank and tax fraud. other legal experts saying if you look closely, it will be closer to 19 to 25 years. we'll take you there live, of course, when we get more information. now this breaking news. a live look at the house floor. we're waiting for lawmakers to vote on an anti hate resolution. there's another development. let's bring in chad pergram who has been trying to stay on top of it. what is the latest? >> they delayed this vote on the anti-islamic bigotry and the anti-semitism legislation. i'm told the debate will start sometime after

paul manafort getting more prison time. and in addition, his legal troubles just got a whole lot worse after a judge slapped a second sentence on him today, a grand jury in new york less than an hour later indicted the former trump campaign chairman on mortgage fraud. accusing him of running a multimillion dollar scheme, and because these are state charges, these new ones that came down from the grand jury today, president trump cannot pardon paul manafort. not if even if he's convicted. the new indictment came as i mentioned after manafort got 7 1/2 years behind bars for federal crimes and not one but two separate cases in the district and in virginia. including illegally lobbying for pro-russia politicians in ukraine and witnesses tampering, tax evasion and bank fraud. with us a lot less time than the maximum combined sentence of 34 years that manafort was facing. at his sentencing today, manafort begged the judge, compassion. the judge said saying i'm sorry, i got caught is not a good argument for leniency. paul manafort

it is very sad what they have done to paul manafort. >> i didn't know manafort well, we w he was not with the campaign long. >> you have to ask why is the president doing that for a short time period? for a short time period manafort was cooperating with mueller. and two, manafort's lied about his contacts with the white house and russian associate kilim kilimnik. joining me, nbc news intelligence, ken dilanian, he's outside the courthouse in virginia. new york times chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst, peter baker. >> our eliot williams and he also lobbies for law work and organizations in advocating the importance of special counsel and michael caputo, ken, first to you, what's happening in manafort's sentencing? >> reporter: manafort will stand up. judge ellis is the guy who raised questions about the mueller investigation earlier in manafort's case. the only reason you are here is because you worked for donald trump. manafort will get a chance to speak for the first time since gag order was imposed on him in 2017. he'll get a chance to express remorse for

who was paul manafort, he had to be in american politics for a little time how did he know paul manafort, and what was paul manafort getting out of this deal. he wasn't taken a salary, why did he want to work for donald trump's campaign. it seemed like it would be a uphill battle for anybody. what was in it for paul manafort, all of these really important events when it comes to the questions we have, the major questions about whether or not collusion happened, what is going on with the special council's investigation, all happened in that summer of 2016 while paul manafort informs charge. he informs that meeting where they were offering dirt on hillary clinton. he handed over poll numbers paul administrate should have known these would be problematic. >> you did a -- and you went back through an interesting profile on manafort in march of last year. i really need to get to trump manafort told an old friend in the early months of 2016. when manafort asked for ba barrick's help grabbing trump his services. he would provide his counsel, he said, free of charge, what was paul manafort expec

manafort got 18%. there's not always inequity when you go income levels, and just a silly ignorant question, joe, i just want to ask you this. i'm not saying any of this happened. the same way we see donald trump reach across every unreachable aisle in america, whether it is firing comey, saying to comey, the fbi director, hey, go easy on my boy mike flynn, are there any three, four steps removed where messages come down to judges? the judge seemed to have a hard on for just the mueller probe overall. >> there's no evidence. >> i'm saying not even close. is that beyond the realm? in such a clear direct line you just go where is this coming from? >> well, the thing is, first of all, no. no evidence of that at all. >> i didn't say evidence. is that beyond the realm of thought? >> we'll talk to people who have practiced in front of federal judges a lot more than i have but, no, i never knew of that happening because the consequences would be so severe, so absolutely severe. but, danny, i don't think this

manafort did. he met with mr. kilimnik with ties with russian intelligence and handed over trump polling data, which is exactly what you would use to attack the democratic process. one of the almosts of what t al did is weaponize social media. you want to know what to target. they gave them the ammunition to attack our democratic process. comey said the russians attacked our process to help one can't and hurt another can't. >> those issues which you raised, manafort was not charged with any criminal activity related to that either in northern virginia, by the u.s. attorney there, or what was going on with the special counsel robert mueller's charges today. >> i think the mueller investigation has still got work to do. >> manafort wasn't charged with criminal activity when he supposedly handed over confidential polling information to a russian operative. >> the justice system sometimes disappoints. the facts remain that was information in court documents. court documents that can't be -- they can't put that informa

i do feel badly for paul manafort. >> there you have it. let's bring in robert costa, national political reporter for the "washington post" and moderator of "washington week" on pbs. robert, i'd like to read you a quote from judge jackson today address paul manafort and his team. i was reminded a few minutes ago, she was confirmed. harvard law school, nominated by president obama. 97-0 by the u.s. senate. they don't vote 97-0 on anything or anybody anymore. she read in open court about paul manafort, "he thereby cheated the u.s. treasury out of over $6 million in tax revenue. why? not to support a family but to sustain a lifestyle at the most opulent and extravagant level possible. more houses than a family can enjoy. more suits than one man can wear." robert, you've been around for a lot of the rise of paul manafort. certainly have covered his tenure with mr. trump. how colossal a fall is this? >> it's also a colossal gap between congressional republicans, top republican leaders, and president trump. based on my reporting today, they're ha

paul manafort is in the can courtroom.a wheelchair, wearing this green prison jump suit. he has a cane with him. his family, his wife are in the courtroom along with his friends. obviously his attorneys are there as well wooemplt just waiting to begin the sentencing hearing. as you said, he is potentially facing the rest of his life in prison at 69. any substantial sentence would essentially mean that he would spend the rest of his life in prison. >> this judge has been critical of mueller's team. could that play a role in the sentencing? >> reporter: certainly, it can. the judge, during the hearings, was tough on prosecutors. at one point before the trial started, the judge was questioning prosecutor, wanting to know if they were trying to put pressure on paul manafort to cooperate, perhaps against the president, perhaps against others. at times, highly critical of the prosecution. at times, highly critical of the mueller team, wondering why they were doing this, whether or not they were trying to use some kind of pressur

will manafort address the court? if i was advising him i would tell him, you are speaking and you are going to express genuine remorse for what you did. judges put a lot of stock in that. that is absolutely fair play at sentencing. i do agree with shan, though. the sentence iing guidelines ra here, 19 to 24 years, that's advisory. judges have to consider that. they do not have to sentence within it. 19 to 24 years is an extraordinarily high sentence, even for all of the fraud crimes that manafort has committed. i would look for something in the low double digits. >> we're told right now from inside the courtroom that it is packed, a packed courtroom with federal investigators and spectators and members of the media. elie, the special counsel also argued that manafort shouldn't get mitigation for cooperation because he lied to the government and grand jury. might that have an impact? >> sure. not only does he not get acceptance or responsibility, typically if a defendant accepts responsibility, he gets a three-level r

paul manafort. oh, good.ou made it. >> ironically i interviewed paul manafort at the 2016 republican convention where he defended chants to lock up, we've heard those, hillary clinton. >> lock her up became the anthem for days. all we keep hearing is lock her up. they start singing lock her up. how much hatred can you garner between here and november. >> it's not about hatred. the american people don't trust -- shoo is crooked. >> would you say that to her face? >> i'm a gentleman. >> i'm more of a gentleman, right. now the shoe is on the other foot, obviously. and manafort was present for several key events of interest for the special counsel, including the meeting with trump tower. lock her up. trump's outrages public call for russia to hack into hillary clinton's emails, all that is happening while he happened to be on watch >> i've said paul manafort is at the center of this. all the most significant russia-related events co insided with manafort's arrival to the campaign. the trump tower meeting, the rnc