manafort was the campaign chairman. so he's gonna make this guy undersecretary of the united states army. sure, why not? because that's what the trump campaign brought to the table. in addition to mr. scaramucci, who served as communications director, also served in the trump transition. another trump transition official this week testified about how the vetting process worked around this guy who is involved in the alleged bribery scheme with manafort. honestly, a normal administrations, i think former officials will sometimes have little reunions, little get togethers. you know, how is your family? he still living in d.c.? let's catch. up in the trump administration, they're all just going to meet up at all the criminal proceedings they're going to be witnesses and now. a, haven't seen you since the rudy disbarment hearing. hey, you're going to be at the grand jury next week? you are in their, to? let me know how it goes with a subpoena. i know. i know, so hard to keep in touch. i keep having to get new phones, too. da

manafort was the campaign chierm home run chairman. he's going to make this die the undersecretary of the entire united states army. sure, why not? because that's what the campaign brought to the table. in addition to scaramucci, another trump transition official testified this week about thousand vetting process worked around this guy who was involved in the election bribery scheme of manafort. honestly, in normal administrations, i think -- i think officials will sometimes have little reunions, get-togethers, how's your family, living in d.c., catch up. they were going to meet up at the criminal proceedings they're going to be witnesses at. hey. haven't seen you sins the rudy disbarment proceeding! let me know how it goes with the subpoena. i know. it's so hard to keep in touch. i keep having to get phones, too. darn fbi. they got all my stuff. i mean, being an ex trump administration official is a thing that isn't true for other recent administrations going back to watergate. other than anthony scaramucci, the other trump transition

then you add on top of that paul manafort, campaign chairman who worked for the pro-russian oligarch president of ukraine for many years, was on his payroll. there were, you will acknowledge, a lot of reasons to be suspicious and want to know more and want to know as much as we could about trump's connections. >> i absolutely agree. i didn't do much reporting on the campaign but had i those would be things i would be digging into the way reporters were doing "and quote is totally legitimate and it is incredibly important to case that information down so the public is aware of the relationships of the person running for the highest job in the united states but then we jump from their, you are probably aware of how the jump was made or where the jump was made, we are now jumping evidence but we can ascertain, things that we can find out 2 things we really don't know. and assumptions we want to make because they are very appealing assumptions. >> one of the reporters who spoke to christopher steele during this time period, during the campaign and what he had to say at the time, this was

that is paul manafort's number two. liability that rick gates had with respect to his own tax returns. but he also aided, abetted and conspired in paul manafort's crimes. so in many ways, he was facing lots of what paul manafort was facing, but he also faced his own individual liability. we did our homework, and we were very open with his counsel about the evidence. and i think that is going to be the same path that's going to be taken here, which is this is what you're facing and lay out all your proof. and then also make sure they know that you mean business, that you are not afraid of pulling the trigger and bringing those charges. >> and walk us through what you mean about the other potential liability. speaking about thing that weisselberg may have done for the corporate benefit of trump organization, not, he would argue, for his personal benefit but you are saying he could still be in a lot of trouble for that? >> exactly. so if the trump organization was cheating on its own taxes, if donald trump was cheating on

. >> manafort, yeah.ple. they have probably been contaminated and been brought in and drawn into all sorts of things, but i think the idea, the notion of going to jail is something that would be -- especially for weisselberg, his kids are involved. joyce would know what kind of things prosecutors would do to get someone to flip, as it were. i can imagine they have the ability to say i'll go after you on your taxes, go after you for not reporting this, i'll go after you for the apartment i gave your son. if that happens, i think it all folds. >> joyce? >> barbara makes a very good point. we don't know exactly what prosecutors are thinking about charging so we don't know what kind of deals are available. the best deal for someone in weisselberg's position, many defendants i've encountered is, if they have a child who has criminal exposure, if they have a child that may end up going to prison, the deal they're often willing to take is a deal that would save their child, they're willing to go to jail themselv

michael flynn, george papadopoulos, paul manafort, rick gates, steve bannon and rudy giuliani, allenberg, matthew calamari. donald trump when is he named off the record or in the indictment not by name as he was in michael cohen's case, he seems to skate. everyone around him pays for the things that benefit him. michael cohen wasn't paying money to this former exotic film star. he gets incarcerated and indicted and do you think at some point prosecutors will stand up to trump himself? >> i think they have to. he's continuing to do damage to our democracy. he has millions of people at his beck and call who believe every word he says. he is probably the biggest danger this country has to our democracy, the only way to deal with them is in a court of law by bringing criminal charges based on the facts and the evidence, the stormy daniels situation really gets my goat because michael cohen was convicted of that, served time in prison and the mastermind of a stormy daniels payoff, a person who funded it and benefited from it is right now getting off scott free so far. he can still be char

both of the characters surfaced in 2016 in connection with the trump campaign and manafort and it was shocking and disturbing to encounter them in that context and led to a great deal of concern on our part that something untoward was taking place here that we didn't fully understand. >> glenn simpson, some of the issues that you talk about is issue of presales. what is that? >> presales is a way of financing condo developments and someone who covered a lot of business issues over the years, it was new to me in this case. essentially what you do, you try to commit from buyers and if you can presale a third of the units, that income can be used to finance the project. so it's a way of capitalizing a development without having to get funding from a bank or some other source. and the presales also helps with promoting the development to follow buyers and if you say we presold a third of the building, that stimulates demands for the rest of the units. it's an area of controversy in the business because presales are often hyped and there's often a lot of puffery as they call it about how m

i didn't get into indictments of stone, bannon or manafort.you a chance to expand and rebut. >> i would like to rebut that. it is 1st inning of this phase of going after the trump organization and trump and his employees on the taxes. the tax fraud issue and the bank fraud issue. this is the first round of that piece. if we are talking about the whole grand sweep of different things that trump gotten himself into. we are in the 344th round. >> okay. >> sorry, it is not the 1st inning but there are obviously calling someone bluff on this because they have been investigaing much weighter issues. they're charging him with whatever they have and that's provable. that's without prejudice. it is going to be around for at least six months and we'll cobit continue to hear it. >> i am supposed to fit in a break. the question that hangs over that is, if they have other things they are holding back or when is it time to call everyone's bluffing and putting the cards on the table. dan and tristan. they keep on telling me to fit in a break. thanks to both

officials basi basically -- basically the statement was produce dirt on then candidate trump and paul manafort. by the time of the call in july of 2019, joe biden already emerged as the democratic front runner to challenge president trump. >> reporter: digging up dirt on balance. corrupt dealings with ukraine when he was vice president, became a priority for trump and his long time adviser. throughout the roughly 40-minute call, rudy giuliani repeatedly pressed the ukrainian leadership. something that would undoubtedly benefited trump's campaign and damage candidate biden. rudy giuliani sets out what's required. >> all we need is to say and put a charge and investigate, dig up the evidence that currently exists and is there any other evidence about the involvement of the 2016 election. and then biden thing. i don't know if it is true or not but i see him bragging on television. to me as a lawyer, it sounds like a bribe. somebody in ukraine got to take it seriously. >> reporter: the ukrainian presidential office took it very seriously and then the country is fighting a desperate war in the east

basically -- the statement was to produce dirt on then-candidate trump and paul manafort. >> reporter time of the call in july 2019, joe biden had already emerged as the democratic party's front-runner to challenge president trump. digging up dirt on biden, like the unfounded allegations of corrupt dealings in ukraine when he was vice president had become a priority for trump and his longtime adviser. throughout the roughly 40-minute call, giuliani repeatedly pressed the ukrainian leadership to publicly announce investigations into this. something that would have undoubtedly benefited trump's re-election campaign and damaged candidate biden. listen to how giuliani sets out what's required. >> all we need from the president is to state, put an honest prosecutor in charge who is going to investigate and dig up the evidence that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election and then the biden thing has to be run out. i don't know if it's true or not. i see -- i see him bragging about it on television. and to me as a lawyer, to me as a lawyer, it

. >> manafort for the following may metaphor for the prove tougher following they prove tougher. .he following the following is, u.s. is, u.s. senator ron senator ron johnson, johnson, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, or no plans to get vaccinated. plan to get vaccinated. swears he is not an anti-vaccine, but held a news conference to warn of the dangers of the vaccine. here is a sampling. >> >> people have been harm by the vaccine. again, i'm not a doctor. but it is a legitimate concern. >> would you, today, recommend that every american get vaccinated? >> again, i'm not a medical doctor. i do not think it is my role to recommend or encourage or discourage. >> so, translated from the original russian, so, we don't get numb to this, this is a u.s. senator holding a news conference to talk about the dangers of the vaccine. he represents a state where, upwards of 95% of all of the deaths in wisconsin were among the unvaccinated. doctor, how do we process this site of a u.s. senator, one of 100? >> well, brian, i will start to say that it's important to listen to the patients. this is why

american officials -- basically the statement was to produce dirt on then candidate trump and paul manafortreporter: by the time of the call in july 2019 joe biden had already emerged as the democratic party's front runner to challenge president trump. digging up dirt on biden like the unfounded allegations of corrupt dealings in ukraine when he was vice president had become a priority for trump and his long-time adviser. throughout the roughly 40 minute call giuliani repeatedly pressed the ukrainian leadership to publicly announce investigations into this, too, something that would have undoubtedly benefited trump's reelection campaign and damaged candidate biden. listen to how giuliani sets out what's required. >> all we need -- all we need from the president is to say -- to put han honest prosecutor in charge, he's going to investigate and dig up the evidence that presently exists and if there is any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election and then the biden thing has to be run out -- i don't know if it's true or not. i mean, i see -- i see him bragging about it on televisi

manafort and gaetz held tough for awhile and gaetz broke.ee what happens. >> quickly, norm, do you still believe that this could mean anything significant for the former president? >> i do and in our brookings report, we layout the massive evidence pulling it together for the first time about the significant risk that the president may face from prosecutors for falsification of business records, tax fraud, bank, insurance fraud, enterprise fraud so there is a substantial case there, still looking. we don't know how it will turn out substantial risk for president trump ahead. not unusual that the big fish is not charged in the first case. >> norm eisen, thank you very much, as always. we'll be right back. of here mou. ahhh! ♪ don't flex your pecs. terminix. ♪welcome back to that same old place♪ ♪that you laughed about♪ ♪well, the names have all changed♪ ♪since you hung around♪ welcome back, america. it sure is good to see you. ah! welcome back, america. my helicopter has better wifi than this. you thinking what i am? great time. don't worry i

officials basically many i'm -- the statement was to produce dirt are on then candidate trump and paul manafort. >> reporter: by the time of the call in 2019 joe biden had already emerged as the democratic party's front-runner to challenge president trump. digging up dirt on biden like the unfounded allegations on the corrupt dealings in ukraine when he was vice president had become a priority for trump and his longtime adviser. throughout the roughly 40-minute call giuliani repeatedly pressed out cranian leadership to publicly announce investigations into this, too, something that would have undoubtedly benefited trump's re-election campaign and damaged president biden. this is how giuliani sets out what's required. >> all we need from the president is to say and put an honest prosecutor in charge that he's going to investigate and dig up the evidence that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election and then the biden thing has to be run out. i don't know if it's true or not. i see -- i see him bragging about continue on television and to me as a law

there was also an issue with the investigation into former trump campaign chairman paul manafort.ersial issue really has to do with these democratic lawmakers who are the subject of this subpoena because it's such a rare and unprecedented thing to happen. these members of the intelligence committee are trusted with the nation's most closely guarded secrets and the idea that while they were being briefed on cia covert action the justice department was secretly obtaining their phone and email records is stunning and has a lot of people calling for an investigation and now there will be one. >> ken, many of the officials involved at the highest levels of this surveillance program are still at the department of justice right now. should we expect resignations? do you have a sense what have is going on inside the doj? >> yes, there's a real tension here and it goes beyond donald trump and partisan politics. career justice department prosecutors have long been interested in pursuing leaks cases, when they see damaging leaks of classified information they want to put people in prison. th

michael cohen, rick gates, the people who notably did not cooperate, and you know, in the case of paul manafort, were praised by the president. so, you know, he acts like, you know, in that sense he acts just like a trapped animal and does exactly what you would expect of somebody who is amoral solely self-interested where, as soon as you say something negative about him, that's not favorable. you are vilified and if you keep your mouth shut in the classic sort of way in the mob, then you are praised. >> the calamaris' lawyer, intentionally or not, seems to have left an implication that others will be indicted. he said, my clients won't be indicted, notwithstanding who else might be indicted. so he seems to be strongly suggesting that there will be indictments of people possibly this week. >> yeah, i mean, look, that's what the press reports are. it's fascinating being on this side. i spent two years where the press was speculating on what the special counsel investigation had and whether we had the goods and on who and we're doing the same thing now with respect to manhattan. but it's clear so

pardoned manafort and would weapon news weapon news the department against enemies. >> you're callingerry nadler announcing a former investigation if barr, session, rosenstein are subpoenaed by the committee. is it realistic they would testify any time soon? could they resist and have their lawyers try to delay things? >> of course. that's right out of the donald trump legal terrorist playbook we saw during his administration. i hope our congressional say pe something. i hope the public pressure comes down on these individuals to be held to account because this isn't going away and it's not because it's personal for us. it's because if we allow this to occur, a future corrupt president may not be so patient to wait for a grand jury investigation. they may just call for them to be locked up and skipped any intermediary step that may be required. >> the fact that the inspector general at the department of justice is investigating, doesn't that allow the justice department now and merrick garland, the current attorney general to say look, i can't comment on this because it's an on going

took months and months to get to senior people and to paul manafort and roger stone at the end with stuff. i can't tell you where we're going. i can only report these avenues as we have been trying to do. i can tell you a trump lawyer would be onto something if next round of challenges are the only winz, might be underestimating how big this could get if the early charges are an effort to flip mr. weisselberg, put pressure on corporate entities and go after the rest of what they found, if they found anything. now we turn to the experts. joined by neil catchel, and joan walsh. i mention we have a witness in the probe, michael cohen, joining me shortly in the hour which should be interesting given his role. neil, your view on the flurry of reporting, escalation of a probe that as we documented seems to be starting with some of the tax issues by individuals within the company. >> well, ari, the 24 hour deadline the prosecutors gave the trump organization means that they've had a steep hill to climb. i've seen a lot of tight turnarounds in my legal career, even i think a 24 hour deadline to c

he won the conviction against manafort. he ran the enron task force. he ran the doj.s you with your history, but you are known for your skill and alleged toughness. take a look. >> today the enron task force's continued investigation has led to the unceiling of three new criminal indictments. >> andrew weissman, who's the head of our enron task force, he and his brilliant team are in houston today where their hard work continues. >> he has chosen his jack the rip perfect like leader, andrew weissman. >> andrew, thank you for joining us for this conversation. >> nice to be here. >> appreciate it. given your expertise, when you look at an individual like mr. wiseleberg with the history laid out, do you see him as flipable or less likely to be flipped? >> well, i think in a situation like this where the former president does not have the ability to dangle pardons, i think it's hard to say anyone is not flipable. the way you do it is through hard work, which is if there is a criminal case to be made, you make the strongest possible criminal case. i do think that this is a

certainly the abuse of the power like paul manafort, the campaign chair, who didn't cooperate with prosecutors, lied to federal prosecutors, also abusing the power of the presidency to enrich himself and his family. while that was not necessarily in and of itself a threat to democracy, the nepotism involved. in presidency, the lack of checks it exposed, it just deeply exposed problems with the norms that we have and even the existing laws that we have as checks on the presidency, when we're not willing to enforce those norms, and i think the lesson of the church committee ought to be documented here. that congress ought to look systematically, and this is laid out, at all the ways that existing laws need to be shored up. new laws need to be articulated and particularly, accountability needs to be delivered through the justice system for donald trump and perhaps more of his colleagues. >> thank you both. so. that was great. >> thank you. >>> whatever we do about the crime of trump while he was in office, there's still an ongoing situation at the department of justice every day. who knows how ma

punish his own enemies with the department of justice but would reward his friends whether it's manafort, flynn, roger stone. that's just how he viewed our department of justice and it's really on us now as to whether we want to see a continuation of that for future presidents. >> congressman swalwell thank you for joining us congressman eric swalwell. we have a lot of news to get here tonight including new concerns related to the story that rachel let the show with on friday night. the safety of america's election workers. new reporting that many of them are leaving their jobs. that's next. that's next. you look a little lost. i can't find my hotel. oh. oh! ♪♪ this is not normal. no. ♪♪ so? ♪♪ right? go with us and find millions of flexible options, all in our app. expedia. it matters who you travel with. at johnsonville, we've often wondered expedia. how could burgers and dogs be our national tradition, when you can't even spell sausage without usa. exercise your right to mix it up, and throw on some johnsonville sausage. because freedom is delicious. as a repairman, i hear a lot of fo

it's been done by the trump campaign, it's been done by paul manafort, it's been done by steve bannoning and don't turn it over to charity. that's one of the issues. and it's something that i think donors need to pay attention to. where is their money going? what is it being used for? >> melissa, there national enquirer was fined almost $200,000 for a hush money payment on trump's behalf. why didn't trump and his campaign face any consequences? >> again, the whole idea of linking this back to donald trump as opposed to the national enquirer i think is really difficult. again, when have this intermediary, it can be difficult to show the president himself or someone related to the campaign was actually orchestrating this. when you have the national enquirer making the payment, that's the direct person and that's usually the easiest way to go. again, we don't know what's happening here, and we don't know if more information will surface that actually provides the necessary links to the trump organization, to mr. trump himself, and to anyone in his orbit. >> i'm struck looking at everythi

only punish his enemies with the department of justice, but would reward his friends, whether it's manafort, flynn, roger stone, that's just how he viewed our department of justice, and it's really on us now as to whether we want to see a continuation of that for future presidents. >> congressman swalwell, good to see you again. thank you for joining us. >> we have a lot of news to get to here tonight, including new concerns relating to the story that rachel led the show with friday night. the safety of america's election workers. new reporting that many of them are leaving their jobs. that's next. now, she's not thinking about her work or her schedule. hi baby. -hey ma, how are you doing? i'm doing good, how are you? good. we are just on our way back from the beach. she's not thinking about her next appearance or even her book tour. no, she's thinking about something more important. and thankfully so is her automobile. the safest, most technologically advanced car we have ever introduced. cares for what matters. the new s-class. from mercedes-benz. introducing aleve x. it's fast, powerful

american officials basically the statement was to produce dirt on then candidate trump and paul manaforteporter: by the time of the call in july 2019, joe biden emerged as the democratic front-runner to challenge president trump. digging up dirt on biden, like unfounded allegations of corrupt dealings in ukraine as vice president was a priority for trump and his long-time adviser. throughout the roughly 40-minute call, giuliani repeatedly pressed the ukrainian leadership to publicly announce investigations into this, too. something that would have undoubtedly benefitted trump's re-election campaign and damaged candidate biden. listen to how giuliani sets out what's required. >> all we need from the president is to say, put honest prosecutor in charge, he's going to investigate and dig up the evidence that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement in the 2016 election and then the biden thing has to be run out, i don't know if it's true or not. i see him bragging about it on television. so to me as a lawyer sounds like a bribe. somebody in ukraine has to take that

pardoned manafort. and then, would weaponize the department against his enemies.n brand for donald trump. >> your colleague on the house judiciary committee, chairman jerry nadler, just announced a formal investigation if barr, sessions, rosenstein, are subpoenaed by the committee. is it realistic that they would testify, anytime soon? i mean, couldn't they just resist and have their lawyers try to delay things? >> of course. and that's right out of the donald trump legal terrorist playbook that we saw during his administration. and sor, i hope our congressionl subpoena style means something. we did get don mcgahn to testify just a couple weeks ago. but also, i hope the public pressure really comes down on these individuals to be held to account. because this isn't going away. and it's not because it's personal, for us. it's because, if we allow this to occur, a future-corrupt president may not be so patient to wait for a grand-jury investigation. they may just call for them to be locked up and skip any, intermediary step that would be required. >> the fact that t

manafort and gaetz held tough for a while. then, gaetz broke.l believe that this could mean anything significant for the former president? >> i do. and -- and in our brookings report, we lay out the massive evidence. pulling it together, for the first time, about the significant risk that the president may face from prosecutors. for falsification of business records, tax fraud, bank/insurance fraud, enterprise fraud. so, there is a substantial case. they are still looking. we don't know how it will turn out. substantial risk for president trump, ahead. not unusual that the big fish is not charged, in the first case. >> norm eisen, thank you very much as always. we'll be right back. oh! don't burn down the duplex. hi guys! check out this side right here. terminix. what'd you do? don't burn down the duplex. - tell me know you did it. - yeah. get a little closer. that's insane. that's a different car. -that's the same car. - no! yeah, that's before, that's after. oh, that's awesome. make it nu with nu finish. why hide your skin if dupixent has your

american officials, basically the statement was to produce dirt on then candidate trump and paul manafortrnational investigator was "that would be me. i'm the one who told rudy ukraine interfered in the election to hurt trump i heard it from sidney powell and hugo chavez in a secret meeting that was recorded by italian satellites but also you got to remember, i'm real tired all the time because my pillow sucks. plus i sleep in the woods and i got really nervous, because of all da bears!" [ laughter ] so that's -- let's see, that's lindell, vaughn, wilson, romano. did the smithsonian ask for anything else or - we just send this up [ laughter ] i'd sell an nft of this "closer look," but i already got too much money [ laughter ] but then rudy got down to business and made it clear that what he and trump wanted was for ukraine's president to make a public statement declaring that they were opening an investigation into joe biden >> and all we need -- all we need from the president is to say, "i'm going to put an honest prosecutor in charge he's going to investigate and dig up the evidence tha

only punish his enemies with the department of justice, but would reward his friends, whether it's manafort, flynn, roger stone, that's just how he viewed our department of justice, and it's really on us now as to whether we want to see a continuation of that for future presidents. >> congressman swalwell, good to see you again. thank you for joining us. congressman eric swalwell. >>> all right. we have a lot of news to get to here tonight, including new concerns relating to the story that rachel led the show with friday night. the safety of america's election workers. new reporting that many of them are leaving their jobs. that's next. up at 2:00am again? tonight, try pure zzzs all night. unlike other sleep aids, our extended release melatonin helps you sleep longer. and longer. zzzquil pure zzzs all night. fall asleep. stay asleep. >>> this is a photo of four wisconsin state lawmakers getting a tour of the so-called arizona election audit on saturday. republican lawmaker tours of the stadium in maricopa county where 2.1 million 2020 election ballots are being retallied and examined for si

>> lincoln used seem manafort cooper union. about a highway. man i always weathered -- wondered whether douglas give it an extra tweak. >> well, douglas had read telling him. >> exactly. i just think he did on purpose. >> it was lincoln's worst racial moment, as you just said. -- >> yeah. >> i'm glad you lay that out, i don't have to. but it's a republican searching or is it real? the colonization thing israel. >> yes. and so, he may have invited them there with the stenographer there to make sure that the american people recognize but was about to come. but that doesn't mean that he didn't believe but he was saying. i suspect he did. because we know that after this period, colonization ties occur. people do go to cow island. how ironic that you are sending, -- >> and the federal government funds it. >> yes, exactly. so i was just about preparing americans for emancipation. and there was no colonization and i could see it. but i think it's a two-pronged thing. he is preparing america for what he's about to do, but he's also preparing african am

department that reported the president's friends reducing those sentences or issuing pardons for paul manafortger stone, michael flynn, and then punished and weaponized the department to go after the president's enemies. i guess i will start with ms. oberlander, if you would engagement on this. would you agree that presidents set the tone for a country that how a president engages, whether they are a goalie for compassion or they are leader has a real effect on just how everyday americans -- boley -- can carry themselves? >> i would pick at it you think that the attacks on the media of the lasted administration has had a profound and negative affect on how the media is perceived by all of americans. i think the cries of fake news and the specific effects of particular journalists has really undermined and worked to really injure the standing of the press. >> ms. oberlander, we had seen the truck rallies, the attacks on the media, we've seen across the country attacks in violence against journalists. you did not know my question datatype and mr. chairman, this is not an advertisement for my vio