white minority rule in fact some have even gone as far as arguing that he paved the way for nelson mandela so in some way does he deserve some place in in african history other than some of the things that you have just told us. well you know already you have people who have the perception or gandhi is so great and so forth and so on in my opinion is saying that he paved the way for nelson mandela is not necessarily a compliment because if you look in south africa the problem that the people of south africa suffered from was genocide and not you know apartheid which is just being apart from the ones who are committing the genocide you can look at the same thing people say well martin luther king was so great all problem there was also genocide and i'm referring to the un definition of genocide which is a 5 part definition killing members of the group causing serious bodily a member mental harm to members of the group writing about conditions to destroy the group in whole or in part and so forth and so on so again if you look at the problem of black people in the u.s. as well as genocide an

well mandela was called a terrorist by the british government declared as such by margaret thatcher and her ministers was declared a criminal by many western diplomats and even intellectuals videos tell his support for his support for mandela who defected libya oh of course of course khadafi was very honest and transparent with us people who worked closely with him and he said this he said to us make no mistake we are being punished for what we did not just for libya but for what we did for africa and many other developing countries and around that we are paying the price for supporting in some mandela for supporting the black race for supporting real politics of revolution could duffy was happy to fight until his death he knew he had many ways out he chose not to go out he was offered ways out even by african leaders who visited him during the war but he said if he goes out the very ideas he fought for will die in his death. his ideas will live and i believe. the ideas and the principles and the broader acts he lead will live on and we come back with such power in the future becaus

members were like of pack of wild dogs tearing at their prey the prey being nelson mandela only 2 members defended mandela's right to speak out found the retroviral only to what was the point made in new recording or these about that moment what is the power how does all take us how i belittle years is the past yes we have since come out of there and lie now doing way better than what happened in the families of the people who don't want some accountability and you're not going to get it from this woman who's sitting here tonight why because with her i don't he play in my presence they did not make me have the wherewithal at that time to understand even what the debate was about because this is one of the fundamental problems of the a.n.c. as a result of your history as a liberation movement the party loyalty and discipline and unity is always put before everything else and criticism debate is shut down whether it's on issues around corruption under president zuma or aids under president mbeki the party sticks together and doesn't say anything publicly about the bad leadership. you know m

the world watched as nelson mandela head of the african national congress party the a.n.c. ushered south africa out of apartheid and into a democratic era where our determination the beard. which it. can't be proud of. but while the new constitution guarantees equal rights to all after 25 years of a.n.c. rule south africa is now the most unequal country. critics say one common denominator looms large corruption. my guest tonight has played a key role in south africa's modern history. from a time fighting apartheid to her role as south africa's deputy president. and speaker of the national assembly. presiding over what has been called the period of chaos in. your son fogarty i now know the details. on a number of my name my you out on back such as the a.n.c. betrayed mandela's legacy will new president cyril ramaphosa set it back on the right track i made the house and i've come here to the oxford union to go head to head with a how successfully she thinks the a.n.c. transition from a liberation movement to a ruling party and whether critics are right to say that it demands

the world watched as nelson mandela head of the african national congress party the a.n.c. ushered south africa out of apartheid and into a democratic era where here our determination the beard. off which it. can be proud of. but while the new constitution guarantees equal rights to all after 25 years of a.n.c. rule south africa is now the most unequal country. critics say one common denominator looms large corruption. my guest tonight has played a key role in south africa's modern history. from the time fighting apartheid to her role as south africa's deputy president a.n.c. and speaker of the national assembly. presiding over what has been called the period of chaos in. your certain folks that i now know the detective on a number of my name my you out. such as the a.n.c. betrayed mandela's legacy or will new president cyril ramaphosa set it back on the right track i made the house and i've come here to the oxford union to go head to head with bullock and bet a scowl successfully she thinks the a.n.c. transition from a liberation movement to a ruling party and whether crit

members were like of pack of wild dogs tearing at their prey the prey being nelson mandela only 2 members defended mandela's right to speak out found the retroviral only but what's the point made in new recording or these about that moment what is the power how does all take us how ability years is the past yes we have since come out of there and lie now doing way better than what happened in the families of the people who don't want some accountability and you're not going to get it from this woman who's sitting here tonight why because with her i don't keep my presence they did not make me have the wherewithal at that time to understand even what the debate was about because this is one of the fundamental problems of the a.n.c. as a result of your history of the liberation movement the party loyalty and discipline and unity is always put before everything else and criticism debate is shut down whether it's on issues around corruption under president zuma or aids under president mbeki the party sticks together and doesn't say anything publicly about the bad leadership. you know maybe rig

members were like of pack of wild dogs tearing at their prey the prey being nelson mandela only 2 members defended mandela's right to speak out found the retroviral only to what was the point made in new recording or in these about that moment what is the power how does all take us how i belittle years is the past yes we have since come out of there and why now doing way better than what happened in the families of the people who don't want some accountability and you're not going to get it from this woman who's sitting here tonight why because with her i don't keep playing my presence they did not make me have the wherewithal at that time to understand even what the debate was about because this is one of the fundamental problems of the a.n.c. as a result of your history as a liberation movement the party loyalty and discipline and unity is always put before everything else and criticism debate is shut down whether it's on issues around corruption under president zuma or aids under president mbeki the party sticks together and doesn't say anything publicly about the bad leadership. you k

. >>> ron mandela parkway is where the cyprus freeway once stood and were 42 people died 30 years ago today. from here we cannot tell the details of the damage but we can certainly tell the damage was very serious. it remains one of the most searing images of the loma prieta earthquake. the double-decker cyprus freeway in west oakland had collapsed in 15 seconds into ming 42 people in their cars and injured hundreds more. >> you have the collapse all the way down to the roadway on one side a e other side was up seven feet at an angle. >> reporter: retired oakland fire chief and his crew were the first responders to get there. the memories of what he saw and did are still vivid 30 years later. >> people looking over the edge and cars that have gone off the freeway. the car roofs were collapsed down to the windowsills of the doors. that was where maybe some people here had survived and some people hadn't. >> reporter: on this anniversary, the city of oakland commemorated those whose lives ended here. >> the fact that right here where we are standing, 42 people perished in the cyprus col

but mandela. is gone long gone so i want to come back to precious you've been quiet for a while looking forward what do you think needs to happen not just in south africa but the entire continent of africa for young people to be more engaged in their civic duty because whether we like it or hard one of the best ways to voice our opinions i think it's important that we know what it means right if we live in a democracy and how we can engage and how we can hold our leaders accountable bethink also there needs to be you know we need political parties and leaders need to stop took a nice thing and people and take them seriously let me come back to define who we started with i want to close with you what would it take for you to vote in the next election in order for south africa to be the south africa that we wanted to be if one should be involved if one should participate in making this place a better place thank you so much for your views and that's a fantastic place to end this discussion a multipl

the vista here was nonexistent on this side of cypress mandela. but now we can. >> and that replacement was no accident. there was a lot of lobbying to get the replacement freeway to wrap around that area instead of go through it or above it as it did earlier. and let's not forget that people who live in that area had fought hard not to have a cypress freeway there, not because it was dangerous, but also because they couldn't see the city they lived in. live in oakland, eric thomas, abc7 news. >> so many changes as a result. eric, thank you so much. >> if you lived in the bay area when that earthquake hit, you likely remember exactly what you were doing. i don't know how you could forget, really. >> no question. leslie brinkley was on her way to a story in the east bay, but then the quake hit that part of the bay bridge that collapsed. >> it's been a frightening scene here. as you can see just below me in bridge occurred. a 50-foot section. you see down there below the two cars, two cars that were on the upper deck when the bridge collapsed. they

the world watched as nelson mandela head of the african national congress party the a.n.c. ushered south africa out of apartheid and into a democratic era where here our determination appeared as so certain which it. can be proud of. but while the new constitution guarantees equal rights to all after 25 years of a.n.c. rule south africa is now the most unequal country. critics say one common denominator looms large corruption. my guest tonight has played a key role in south africa's modern history. from the time fighting apartheid to her role as south africa's deputy president a.n.c. and speaker of the national assembly. presided over what has been called the period of chaos in. folks that i now know the detectives on a number of my lamb my you out off on back so as the a.n.c. betrayed mandela's legacy will new president cyril ramaphosa set it back on the right track amid the house and i've come here to the oxford union to go head to head with bullock and bet they ask how successfully she thinks the a.n.c. transition from a liberation movement to a ruling party and whether

[applause] and this is what mandela said. he said, and i quote, "it always seems impossible until it is done." [applause] do you all understand what that means? "it always seems impossible until it is done." in other words, what the establishment, whether it is the economic establishment, whether it is the political establishment or whether it is the media establishment, what they want us to believe is that real and fundamental change can never occur. [crowd booing] they want us to believe that our vision for the future is unrealistic, that it is a pipe dream, that it is simply utopian thinking. they want us to believe that the only reality that we can live under is the status quo. [crowd jeering] and by the way, it is not just republicans that give us that line. that is exactly what i heard on the stage of the democratic debate in ohio a few nights ago. [applause] so let me respectfully disagree. let me respectfully disagree with those who believe that real change is not possible, and let me tell you exactly the kind of amer

other cities like seattle have used our waterfront for the way theirs should look. >> this is mandela parkway. trees, a washing path and memorials sit in the center median where interstate 880 once stood. >> it's been a frightening scene here. as you can see below me is where this crack in the bay bridge occurred. a 50-foot section. you see down there below the two cars, two cars that were on the upper deck when the bridge collapsed. >> abc 7 news reporter leslie brinkley was the first reporter on the scene when the section of the bay bridge collapsed. she was headed towards the cypress freeway when it hit. >> she's here to talk about her experience. leslie, that is frightening to even see. we were talking upstairs. i was saying, weren't you scared of an aftershock coming. you didn't grow up here. that's not like top of mind? >> i had moved here a little over a year before that. i had never experienced an earthquake. our intuition was to go to the break in the bridge and the rest is us standing there and showing the rest of the world what had happened here. that broken bay bridge 'em

[applause] and this is what mandela said. he said, and i quote, "it always seems impossible until it is done." [applause] do you all understand what that means? "it always seems impossible until it is done." economic establishment, whether it is the political establishment or whether it is the media establishment, what they want us to believe is that real and fundamental change can never occur. [crowd booing] they want us to believe that our vision for the future is unrealistic, that it is a pipe dream, that it is simply utopian thinking. they want us to believe that the only reality that we can live under is the status quo. [crowd jeering] under is the status quo. that real change is impossible. and by the way, it is not just republicans that give us that line. that is exactly what i heard on the stage of the democratic debate in ohio a few nights ago. [applause] so let me respectfully disagree. let me respectfully disagree with those who believe that real change is not possible, and let me tell you exactly the kind of ameri

nasser mandela but they did not have the actual a project on the ground in libya we were fortunate enough to have a stronger revolutionary system we had the economic means and we have the position to start this genuine liberation projects like the african central bank and the unified currency on the african army and the organization for the african resources and the satellite network unified as well and we did achieve the initial stages of these projects. and we believed that with the presence of some good african leaders revolutionary leaders that we would be able to work something out and we succeed we had a great success with the african union which was declared in the city of sirte in 1999 in the month of september. but i think the west recognized the danger of all of this and they realized that this is not just singing and music and dreaming this is real work on the ground that would make africa independent and would to bribe the capitalist global capitalist machine from the oil that keeps it going namely the african wealth to have an african continent strong productive with particip

somebody gave him nelson mandela's book to read which is a bit of a mistake. another person gave him graham ski's book to read which is not a terrible error both men having a terrible long term injury of graham skis succumbed to his. so. i don't really know him i magine you. well in the embassy julian explained to me that he knew every detail of every wall the saving the flow curtain the little straight out because that was his entire. environment for ye of the year he so you become intimately familiar with everything it's like the details on your own hair fills your world and you search for novelty but you can't go outside so the novelty was when i was visiting it said john bring me some food that i haven't tasted before so i go to the turkish restaurant turkish food then i go to the iraqi restaurant i get a rocky food and so on so that. is the interior of julian's life. of all those he is being. and the terror of the detained this conclusion of the detained is not mine it's the united nations working group on have a tree to change reporters live on more and

the street now called mandela parkway is separated by lawns flower gardens benches in the walking path.>> it has become a community area. it is beautiful. there is a wonderful breeze. that comes off the bay. the sunlight. it is just like it is another world.>> reporter: a lot has changed. it is following a familiar pattern. one person told me today we live in paradise until something horrible happens. then the city dusted itself off and rebuilds better than ever. >>> you worked here during that time. you couldn't come in because the bay bridge had collapsed. you covered the story from oakland. >>> i once at the cypress structure. people have to remember there were no cell phones. computers were just coming on board in newsrooms. it was a much different environment we were in. my biggest memory was the marina district. the buildings that collapsed in the fires that started. they dragged a fire hose from the wharf all the weights of the marina. and had phoenix fire boats fire up and pump water to put the buildings out. it was all volunteers. people in san francisco came together. that is

the street now called mandela parkway is separated by lawns flower gardens benches and a walking path.>> it has become a community area. it is beautiful. there is a wonderful breeze. that comes off the bay. the sunlight. it is just like another world.>> reporter: a lot has changed but it is following a familiar pattern. one person told me today we live in paradise until something horrible happens. then the city rebuilds bigger and better than ever.>>> to look at all of those pictures and videos from the earthquake you can visit kpix.com. >>> there is a renewed effort tonight to pull boats off the water in sausalito and tiburon. >>> some of them are floating homes anchored for years even decades. there is a new plan to give those boat owners a safe place to keep their boats while preserving the unique lifestyle. >>> if we bring them off the water onto a slip now they are stable. they can actually go get jobs and take care of themselves. >>> keep an eye out for our original report anchored out tomorrow night right here on the news at 7 pm. >>> the weather could not be better. we are in

. >> whether they were in the room or had first mandela firsthand knowledge or talked to somebody who had firsthand knowledge, again, the president's problem is with the fact that the people around him are saying we can't tolerate this anymore. >> reporter: congressman adam schiff is chairman of the house intelligence committee and said whistleblowers have every legal right to remain anonymous, but one gop senator says america needs to hear from them directly if the house moves ahead with impeachment. >> i'm going to insist upon the whistleblower, one or two, whatever, they come forward under oath, testify so the public can judge their credibility. if that doesn't happen in the house, i will make sure it happens in the senate. >> reporter: senator graham also says it's imperative that the house vote on an impeachment inquiry, make it official that they're looking into impeachment and not just talk about it. democrats are not rushing to make that happen. >> there is no requirement again under the constitution and no requirement under house rules that that is the procedure that we follo

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police chief and other city officials were here at the cypress freeway memorial park at 14th and mandelaarkway here to remember those who died and also to honor those who were the first responders and the rescuers. as you remember that cypress freeway was a double-decker freeway that collapsed when the loma prieta quake struck 30 years ago today. it was rush hour and trapped drivers in their cars. 42 of them perished. many more were injured. one of the first responders on the scene described some of the chaos that rescuers worked through crawling around on their hands and knees in the smoke, barely able to see trying to get to who they could and he spoke about the dozens of untrained volunteers who also pitched in to help save lives. everyone who was here during the quake, including the city's mayor says it is something they will never forget. >> i will never forget the shock of getting home to my apartment with every window shattered and a crack in the wall so big i could see lake merritt through it. as news rolled in of the devastating lossf life, the fact that right here where we are

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. >> reporter: the cyprus was later demolished and the ground level mandela parkway has replaced opening up a community that cyprus had divided. perhaps what happened here can serve as a reminder of just how devastating a major earthquake can be in that everyone needs to be prepared. in oakland, rob roth ktvu fox 2 news. >>> a lot has changed with then with stricter regulations and seismic upgrades to infrastructure. including an improved portion of the bay bridge. cristina rendon climbs up t new span of the bridge for a look at what's been done to keep drivers seat during the next big quake. >> this is the soundest earthquake bridge over bill. >> reporter: caltrans gave trent one and inside look taking a crew under the freeway. the bridge was designed to withstand the largest potential earthquake in 1500 years. to show you what he means we went through a bit of an obstacle course. going down ladders and narrow hallways and through small openings in the steel. all to get to this transition point. inch pipe beams play a crucial role. >> this is the hinge piping here in this part of the fi

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